Should the Picard Show ignore ST-2009 destruction of Romulus?
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It was prime universe Spock who told the story to kelvin universe Kirk.
I know that not every one likes the new movies, but they are still canon.
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I think Romulus destruction set up whichever crisis the Federation is going to face in the new Picard series and becomes the rationale why the Federation needs him again.
When one of most powerful Federation rivals and 'great' powers in the Trek universe were entirely wiped out by the supernova, it'll destabilize the galaxy. The Klingons, the Breens, a possibly resurgent Dominion and Cardassians would've all seized on the power vacuum left by the Romulans demise. Not to mention a new invasion from the Borg, Species 8472, or a new alien we haven't heard about. The Federation -- already stretched to the limits from the conflicts of the past two decades against the Klingons, Dominions, Borg, etc., would've struggled to contain the new conflict. Another inter-galactic war might be inevitable.
The long war might have also gave rise to a new generation of battle-hardened Federation officers who forgot about the old idealism and exploration spirit of TOS and TNG-era Federation. It's up to old-veterans like Picard to be brought back to the Federation's service and rekindled this idealism among this new generation of officers.
When one of most powerful Federation rivals and 'great' powers in the Trek universe were entirely wiped out by the supernova, it'll destabilize the galaxy. The Klingons, the Breens, a possibly resurgent Dominion and Cardassians would've all seized on the power vacuum left by the Romulans demise. Not to mention a new invasion from the Borg, Species 8472, or a new alien we haven't heard about. The Federation -- already stretched to the limits from the conflicts of the past two decades against the Klingons, Dominions, Borg, etc., would've struggled to contain the new conflict. Another inter-galactic war might be inevitable.
The long war might have also gave rise to a new generation of battle-hardened Federation officers who forgot about the old idealism and exploration spirit of TOS and TNG-era Federation. It's up to old-veterans like Picard to be brought back to the Federation's service and rekindled this idealism among this new generation of officers.
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Prime Spock said it, so it can't be ignored. If they pretend it didn't happen and Romulus is still there in the Picard series, then that would be completely bogus and would--in my eyes--discredit the production team. (Although I doubt they would lose sleep if they knew.)
One of the many things I have thought about this series is addressing the destruction of Romulus and mentioning Spock and his role in it. That is something I had wondered when we first learned about it in 2009. How everyone reacted in relation to Spock, with his role in the destruction and his disappearance. Did they think he died, or did they know he was somehow transported in time...or something else? We might actually find out.
I also think it would be cool that in such a discussion, they bring up Nero. Obviously he was part of the story. This would connect the Prime universe stories with the 2009 movie in a very legitimate way. I know some people completely ignore the Kelvin universe, but I think that would be cool.
One of the many things I have thought about this series is addressing the destruction of Romulus and mentioning Spock and his role in it. That is something I had wondered when we first learned about it in 2009. How everyone reacted in relation to Spock, with his role in the destruction and his disappearance. Did they think he died, or did they know he was somehow transported in time...or something else? We might actually find out.
I also think it would be cool that in such a discussion, they bring up Nero. Obviously he was part of the story. This would connect the Prime universe stories with the 2009 movie in a very legitimate way. I know some people completely ignore the Kelvin universe, but I think that would be cool.
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I see no reason why it should be ignored.
I think they should keep it. I don't feel like you have to involve the rest of Kelvin trek to do so. Kelvin trek starts when Nero and Spock go back in time and there actions there create an alternate universe or new quantum reality, or however you might want to say it. So in my mind, the destruction of Romulus is part of main stream trek. Path to 2409 could be a good resource for the writers of the Picard show to cherry pick ideas from, but like others here, I doubt they would take the time to take all of 2409 as canon, nor the recent books, that are all linked together and have a canon all their own.
But that Spock is just another part of the Abrams-universe , let him stay there.
The "borg are everywhere" universe is canon as well, that doesn't mean that universe has to be included in the new Picard show.
Would anyone outside of Spock (who Nero communicated with) know who Nero was, or what part he played? Nero is a obscure miner from nowhere. The Federation had next to to nothing records on Shinzon and he was a successful military commander, on Nero it's likely there'd be nothing.
This. Clean separation for the Abrams-universe. Romulas is still there, the Empire is intact.
Then that would mean that old Spock is not from the prime universe, which was the whole point of having him in the movie in the first place.
No he ain’t from the Prime Universe since he came from Stardate 2387 and not stardate 64000.
That means nothing.
CBS treats the destruction of Romulus and Prime Spock in those movies as canon to the Prime Universe as of right now.
They could change their mind for the new show, but right now it's part of the Prime Universe canon until they say otherwise.
I think the new movies are mostly utter crap, except for the first one, but prime Spock did say it, so it is canon.
I think they could mine some good stories from the destruction of Romulus, the Romulan Empire is weakened but not destroyed, they lost their home world, but not their entire Empire. The Romulan Empire is more desperate, they no longer have the luxury of coaxing the Federation into a trap to justify a counter attack, they have to be far more aggressive in this new era.
I think this new show should be a follow up to Unification, with Picard wanting to bring about a final peace between the Romulans and the Federation and unify the Romulans and the Vulcans, with some Romulans agreeing, but hardline Romulans not wanting this and want to continue to fight the Federation.
Really it seems like this plot point could move things forward, actually pay off some story threads from TNG and breathe new life into the Romulans, who over time became stale as villains.
I think this new show should be a follow up to Unification, with Picard wanting to bring about a final peace between the Romulans and the Federation and unify the Romulans and the Vulcans, with some Romulans agreeing, but hardline Romulans not wanting this and want to continue to fight the Federation.
Really it seems like this plot point could move things forward, actually pay off some story threads from TNG and breathe new life into the Romulans, who over time became stale as villains.
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