Ok...she betrayed Voyager because she didn't like Janeway's ability to do what was necessary to get home. Can someone please explain to me how she thought she was going to get home faster, or at all by helping the Kazon...I'm so confused. 
seska...wtf
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I watched Basics Part II last night and came to the realization that Seska succumbed to the Kazon because they look like human sized Willy Wonka characters.
Cardassians were used to abusing the Bajorians.
I guess Seska figured the Kazon would be just as easy.
Her misstep was not killing them all off once she had Voyager in "Basics".
There was no way the Kazon were going to take her to the Alpha Q. once they had the ship. I don't get why she never figured that one out.
Then again, Seska wasn't a very good covert operative either.
If she was, she would have never gotten caught.
How did Chakotay become a Maquis cell leader being so dumb?
I guess Seska figured the Kazon would be just as easy.
Her misstep was not killing them all off once she had Voyager in "Basics".
There was no way the Kazon were going to take her to the Alpha Q. once they had the ship. I don't get why she never figured that one out.
Then again, Seska wasn't a very good covert operative either.
If she was, she would have never gotten caught.
How did Chakotay become a Maquis cell leader being so dumb?
The women in this forum keep trying to convince me that he's sexy. Charisma trumps competence when it comes to populist movements.
I wonder if Seska spotted Tuvok as a federation Spy?
I wonder if Seska spotted Tuvok as a federation Spy?
I don't think she had any master plan for getting back to the Alpha Quadrant. She just hated Janeway and wanted to get back at her. She figured the Kazon were the best ally she could have in order to achieve that goal. Once she had Voyager, she might have planned to continue onto the Alpha Quadrant, but that was secondary.
So true.
So true.
I think her departure was due to:
(a) The beginning of the end with the Doctor discovering her "blood disorder"
which would have left her alienated from the rest of the crew
(b) Her lack of belief in Janeway's ability to get them home which meant she didn't believe it would be possible to return to the Alpha Quadrant
So it would seem logical to her to try and create a home for herself in the Delta Quadrant, with the most powerful species present at the time.
(a) The beginning of the end with the Doctor discovering her "blood disorder"
which would have left her alienated from the rest of the crew(b) Her lack of belief in Janeway's ability to get them home which meant she didn't believe it would be possible to return to the Alpha Quadrant
So it would seem logical to her to try and create a home for herself in the Delta Quadrant, with the most powerful species present at the time.
Well, I don't think he's sexy at all. He's very good-looking, but so dull, and I don't see the charisma that you speak of. The character is not convincing as a former terrorist leader, at all - he should have been far edgier, not someone who caves in to Janeway every time they disagree, even when she is acting almost insane and doing things he finds profoundly wrong.
And while the writers should probably take most of the blame for making Chakotay a walking prop, Robert Beltran was really wooden. I know that some posters defend his acting ability, mentioning his other work; I can't say anything about that since I haven't seen him in anything other than Voyager, he may be a better actor that he seemed on VOY.. But on VOY, he was really bad. There are number of times when he is supposed to have an emotional reaction, and he just seemed bored and indifferent. Now, I don't know if he could do better and it he was just so annoyed by the writing that he was just lazy and phoning it in, but he was the definition of "wooden acting".
What I don't get is Seska saying that if VOY was a Cardassian ship, they'd already be home. How exactly? VOY hadn't encountered any tech powerful enough to get them home that early into the show yet, or was she just saying "Cardassians never would have helped the Ocampa and just used the Array as soon as possible"?
A Cardassian ship would have planted a flag on the array. There would have been a serious Cardassan presence in the Delta Quadrant within a few hours of the credits rolling for kathy's adventure and cardassian ships would be going back and forth exploiting caretaker technology and massproducing caretaker technology, that within a year they would have dozens of arrays all about the galaxy as they began preparing to invade the nieghbouring galaxies.
Seska also hated Janeway because she could tell that Chak was falling for Janeway, the whole "the fool who follows" bit.
Whatever else about Seska, she loved/desired/whatever Chak (probably the only male who had ever expressed some love towards her while they were together) enough to want his kid.
Whatever else about Seska, she loved/desired/whatever Chak (probably the only male who had ever expressed some love towards her while they were together) enough to want his kid.
I think she was a bit of a sociopath. She was using Chakotay all the way and probably couldn't have any kind of non-using relationship with anyone. I don't think she loved Chakotay at all, he was just a perfect mark for her plans. Seska's using of Chakotay kind of dinted my respect for him because I could see why she picked him in the first place.
I agree with others' assessments that Seska was a little unhinged, but I think her plans were somewhat logical.
Voyager was pretty well established in the early episodes as the most powerful thing in that part of the quadrant, but, I suspect in Seska's eyes Janeway was not ruthless enough to use that power to get the resources they needed or wanted to complete their trip home. Seska no doubt thought that her inside knowledge of Voyager would allow her to use the Kazon's brawn and strength in numbers to take the ship, and use it to get home.
She probably didn't have a 'grand scheme' for getting home, but knew that to do it, however she was going to do it, she needed Voyager, and the powers that be weren't going to do 'what needed to be done.' I suspect that the longer her little exile with the Kazon went on, the more unhinged Seska got and the more personal her desire to have Voyager became.
Voyager was pretty well established in the early episodes as the most powerful thing in that part of the quadrant, but, I suspect in Seska's eyes Janeway was not ruthless enough to use that power to get the resources they needed or wanted to complete their trip home. Seska no doubt thought that her inside knowledge of Voyager would allow her to use the Kazon's brawn and strength in numbers to take the ship, and use it to get home.
She probably didn't have a 'grand scheme' for getting home, but knew that to do it, however she was going to do it, she needed Voyager, and the powers that be weren't going to do 'what needed to be done.' I suspect that the longer her little exile with the Kazon went on, the more unhinged Seska got and the more personal her desire to have Voyager became.
Yeah, I think her whole "If we were Cardassians we'd already be home!" thing was just BS on her part. Unless she was saying they'd never have been trapped in the DQ to begin with if they were Cardassians.
She'd probably have just been happy using the VOY to carve out an Empire in the DQ or whatever.
She'd probably have just been happy using the VOY to carve out an Empire in the DQ or whatever.
Gul Evek Got home in the Pilot.
You can't argue with that.
Evek might have even told Caretaker that raping his crew was demonstratively redundant since there was already a Cardassian on the Jean Val more than willing to submit to medical experiments, along with dozens and dozens of other curious and interesting species.
Or....
Seska would have used Ocampan corpses to stoke her boiler if the gals footbath became even tepid, so it's a far cop to say that if it came down to a choice, Janeways choice, of going home at the expense of the Ocampa or staying and feeling like doe eyed dogooders, stranded up the wroing end of shit creek, well it was no choice at all.
You can't argue with that.
Evek might have even told Caretaker that raping his crew was demonstratively redundant since there was already a Cardassian on the Jean Val more than willing to submit to medical experiments, along with dozens and dozens of other curious and interesting species.
Or....
Seska would have used Ocampan corpses to stoke her boiler if the gals footbath became even tepid, so it's a far cop to say that if it came down to a choice, Janeways choice, of going home at the expense of the Ocampa or staying and feeling like doe eyed dogooders, stranded up the wroing end of shit creek, well it was no choice at all.
well, the caretaker send the ships with people he couldn't use home again, but wouldn't evek have reported the story in this case? starfleet would have learned about it sooner or later, and surely connect the dots, voyager is in the delta quadrant. but no, they assumed it got lost in the badlands, probably destroyed by the maquis thugs.
Seeing how VOY was damaged and lots of the crew were killed in the process of being brought to the DQ (which shows that the Array wasn't an option to return in the first place), I'd wager similar damage occurred to Evek's less advanced and smaller ship. Full possibility of him being killed off-screen.
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