Ron Jones' score for "Boobytrap"

[JediKnightButler]

I just saw "Boobytrap" for, yes, the first time (I took out my S3 collection and put it on for background noise while working at home) and, besides being a good episode IMHO, it was difficult not to overlook the score that Jones composed for the episode, most notably the melodic nod to Jerry Goldsmith's score for the movie, "Patton" (the trumpet montage that played several times throughout the episode's score). Did anybody else notice it? I only noticed it, oddly enough, because I heard it several times during the movie, "The Burbs" and found out it that was originally lifted from "Patton". BTW Ron Jones did some excellent work on TNG scores but I heard that he was replaced sometime during the 4th season, after which the musical scores on TNG and the rest of the Trek series took a turn for the boring. The good news is that a collection of his TNG scores has been made available on CD and iTunes (you can download individual tracks for $0.99 each).

 

[jimbotron]

Yup. I've noticed the Patton connection since I was a kid. It's pretty blatant. Not that I'd seen Patton as a kid, but I remembered that theme playing briefly on The Simpsons.

 

[JediKnightButler]

Yup. I've noticed the Patton connection since I was a kid. It's pretty blatant. Not that I'd seen Patton as a kid, but I remembered that theme playing briefly on The Simpsons.

Right. On the "Nelson bully" episode in the first season. That episode actually made some references to "Patton" and then I remember the music being played on "The Burbs" as well, so I finally put the cues together. I was surprised to hear it referenced in TNG. I assume that it was cued to the ancient alien battleship that the Enterprise found.

 

[Unicron]

I'm not familiar with "Patton" although I have heard the title, but I didn't know that was the inspiration. I just remember it as having one of the more distinctive music themes.

 

[doubleohfive]

Those tracks on Amazon are part of Film Score Monthly's excellent 2010 offering, "Star Trek: The Next Generation - The Ron Jones Project" - collecting all Jones' score from seasons 1-4 and two video games, with the exception of "The Best of Both Worlds" the rights to which were still controlled by GNP Crescendo at the time.

The good news is, GNP released a remastered and expanded soundtrack for "Best of Both Worlds" last year as well.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

The sequence with Picard at the helm also had the Patton inspired music, before Berman decided that the music was too much so they simply tracked it with music from "Where Silence Has Lease". I uploaded the tracks for that episode, even spliced in the unused cue on the sequence to see how it plays with the footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAmvXCRk4PM

 

[jimbotron]

The sequence with Picard at the helm also had the Patton inspired music, before Berman decided that the music was too much so they simply tracked it with music from "Where Silence Has Lease". I uploaded the tracks for that episode, even spliced in the unused cue on the sequence to see how it plays with the footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAmvXCRk4PM

Thanks for that. I don't have the Ron Jones set, so I've never heard that cue before.

I'm really not a fan of Berman and how he ousted Jones, but this music is pretty over the top, and I agree with his decision here. Jones' main theme used prior in the episode was easier on the ears, but in the escape sequence, it gets pretty droning and repetitive after a while.

Nice that he at least replaced Ron Jones music with more Ron Jones music. There's a scene in Die Hard (by Michael Kamen) where the scoring was replaced with music from Aliens (by James Horner) - the scene where Powell shoots Karl. Funny enough, I think that particular cue from Aliens was also removed from its movie and replaced with something else.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Yeah, some of Goldsmith's work in the first film was tracked in the second film. At least that was within a franchise, while it kinda seems awkward to have DIE HARD take a cue from a different franchise. I don't know of any other films doing something like that.

As far as unused cues, I've uploaded more videos with unused cues placed in scenes that were scored by Jones. I haven't finished, as there's plenty of more scenes to do but this my list of clips so far: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL81EEB382E7BD4777

My favorite is probably the Klingon Tea Ceremony.

 

[Harvey]

Yeah, some of Goldsmith's work in the first film was tracked in the second film. At least that was within a franchise, while it kinda seems awkward to have DIE HARD take a cue from a different franchise. I don't know of any other films doing something like that.

It's happened. Some of Alien is tracked with music from Jerry Goldsmith's score to Freud.

 

[TV's Frank]

Yeah, some of Goldsmith's work in the first film was tracked in the second film. At least that was within a franchise, while it kinda seems awkward to have DIE HARD take a cue from a different franchise. I don't know of any other films doing something like that.

As far as unused cues, I've uploaded more videos with unused cues placed in scenes that were scored by Jones. I haven't finished, as there's plenty of more scenes to do but this my list of clips so far: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL81EEB382E7BD4777

My favorite is probably the Klingon Tea Ceremony.

Not sure what you're referring to, but none of Goldsmith's music from THE MOTION PICTURE was tracked into THE WRATH OF KHAN. The only connection you might be making is the use the Blaster Beam instrument during the Mutara Nebula sequence, but this is no different than when Lawrence Rosenthal used the same instrument in his score for METEOR.

And yes, there are other instances of cues from different films being tracked into one another. KINGDOM OF HEAVEN has cues tracked from from THE CROW and THE THIRTEENTH WARRIOR, for example, and the score for MISS CONGENIALITY 2 consists almost primarily of music tracked from other comedies.

 

[JarodRussell]

On a similar note, I was giggling throughout the Shrek films because the main theme is taken straight from Deep Blue Sea.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Yeah, some of Goldsmith's work in the first film was tracked in the second film. At least that was within a franchise, while it kinda seems awkward to have DIE HARD take a cue from a different franchise. I don't know of any other films doing something like that.

As far as unused cues, I've uploaded more videos with unused cues placed in scenes that were scored by Jones. I haven't finished, as there's plenty of more scenes to do but this my list of clips so far: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL81EEB382E7BD4777

My favorite is probably the Klingon Tea Ceremony.

Not sure what you're referring to, but none of Goldsmith's music from THE MOTION PICTURE was tracked into THE WRATH OF KHAN. The only connection you might be making is the use the Blaster Beam instrument during the Mutara Nebula sequence, but this is no different than when Lawrence Rosenthal used the same instrument in his score for METEOR.

And yes, there are other instances of cues from different films being tracked into one another. KINGDOM OF HEAVEN has cues tracked from from THE CROW and THE THIRTEENTH WARRIOR, for example, and the score for MISS CONGENIALITY 2 consists almost primarily of music tracked from other comedies.

I was talking about ALIEN/ALIENS, as I was replying to Harvey.

 

[jimbotron]

The other franchise started with Goldsmith and continued with Horner.

 

[TV's Frank]

Yeah, some of Goldsmith's work in the first film was tracked in the second film. At least that was within a franchise, while it kinda seems awkward to have DIE HARD take a cue from a different franchise. I don't know of any other films doing something like that.

As far as unused cues, I've uploaded more videos with unused cues placed in scenes that were scored by Jones. I haven't finished, as there's plenty of more scenes to do but this my list of clips so far: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL81EEB382E7BD4777

My favorite is probably the Klingon Tea Ceremony.

Not sure what you're referring to, but none of Goldsmith's music from THE MOTION PICTURE was tracked into THE WRATH OF KHAN. The only connection you might be making is the use the Blaster Beam instrument during the Mutara Nebula sequence, but this is no different than when Lawrence Rosenthal used the same instrument in his score for METEOR.

And yes, there are other instances of cues from different films being tracked into one another. KINGDOM OF HEAVEN has cues tracked from from THE CROW and THE THIRTEENTH WARRIOR, for example, and the score for MISS CONGENIALITY 2 consists almost primarily of music tracked from other comedies.

I was talking about ALIEN/ALIENS, as I was replying to Harvey.

Ooops, my mistake!

 

[Indysolo]

Goldsmith scored The Sum of All Fears after Horner scored Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger!