"Renegades" in the new timeline

[WarpTenLizard]

Tim Russ's fan film "Star Trek: Renegades" may not have been big on budget, but it introduced some interesting characters. In this thread, we speculate on where they might be in the current canon timeline. And others like the litverse and "Star Trek: Online," If you like.

I'll just toss some ideas out there:

Ragnar is a Fennis Ranger, and friend of Seven of Nine

Ronara found her way to Starfleet in this universe, and served on the same ship as Icheb. In this timeline, he was the optomist trying to help her, and she was the one to end up with survivors guilt.

T'Leah may have been a triple agent, in league with Oh and the other Romulans that infiltrated Starfleet. Or maybe she was working against them.

Shree....really has no reason to be anywhere different. She's probably still in Starfleet Intelligence, working with Admiral Chekov. Though it'd be cool to see her on a starship.

Lexxa could be anywhere. But for some reason, i like the idea of Khan's descendant serving an enemy of the Federation, like the Remans, or the Dominion. Lexxa was an okay antihero, but with that oily smirk she'd arguably make a better villain.

Feel free to contradict any or all of these with your own ideas.

 

[Mudd]

None of them.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Ditto. None. Nadda.

Also, this sounds like a Future of Trek topic to me, given that the idea is to express desires for the future direction of canon.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

Ditto. None. Nadda.

Also, this sounds like a Future of Trek topic to me, given that the idea is to express desires for the future direction of canon.

As much as I would love for Paramount to make peace with Tim Russ and allow his original characters into "Star Trek" canon, it's highly unlikely that "Renegades" will ever be anything more than a very expensive fan-film.

 

[Mudd]

What does "making peace with Tim Russ" have to do with anything? Renegades was never anything other than one more unauthorized fan film, despite some production-generated propaganda and exaggerated rumor-mongering to the contrary. It was never on track to be an official part of Paramount's IP, not for an instant.

 

[Maurice]

it's highly unlikely that "Renegades" will ever be anything more than a very expensive fan-film.

That's cuz it's all it ever was.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm far more interested in the unTrekked Renegades universe expys of Trek characters than vice-versa. I even hunted down the 2 Renegades novels (which are actually better than the episodes) which give a little backstory for Kovok, a human genetically engineered by Sector 6 to have telepathy, and the others.

And then there's Ominara, which I haven't seen more than clips of but seems like an AU of an AU (and, judging by the clips I have seen, utterly awful. But I get a real kick out of mockbusters so it's 100% my vibe and I'd love to see it)

 

[fireproof78]

will ever be anything more than a very expensive fan-film.

As opposed to...what, exactly? It was always a fan film, and an expensive one. That's all it is; nothing more and nothing less.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

As opposed to...what, exactly? It was always a fan film, and an expensive one. That's all it is; nothing more and nothing less.

Why are you guys telling/asking me this? I posted this thread in Fan Productions, so that should be a good indicator that I know it's a fan film. CorporalCaptain is the one who seems to think this should be in Future of Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

Why are you guys telling/asking me this? I posted this thread in Fan Productions, so that should be a good indicator that I know it's a fan film. CorporalCaptain is the one who seems to think this should be in Future of Trek.

I want to know what more it is?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

As much as I would love for Paramount to make peace with Tim Russ

Peace? That implies there was a war. What went wrong?

 

[WarpTenLizard]

Peace? That implies there was a war. What went wrong?

What went wrong is that Tim Russ's fan film was just a little bit too "legit," with several Trek actors reprising their roles from the real show. So Paramount took legal action. The next installment of "Renegades" had to remove all references to "Star Trek," resulting in a lot of hasty name and prosthetic changes.

That basically killed "Renegades" overnight, since its being a continuation of the "Star Trek" saga was the only reason viewers were invested. (This was 2015-2017, when canon "Star Trek" was stuck back in the 23rd Century.) With the "Star Trek" stripped away, all that was left was a very low-budget scifi full of cliches, and familiar faces looking exasperated to be re-shooting all their scenes.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I see. So it's not like a personal beef (Russ vs. Paramount), then? Just another classic example of Fucking Lawyers(tm)?

I mean, Tuvok's recent appearance on LD ("Grounded") would seem to put the lie to any notion that Russ and Paramount had a serious problem with each other...

 

[WarpTenLizard]

I see. So it's not like a personal beef (Russ vs. Paramount), then? Just another classic example of Fucking Lawyers(tm)?

Yep. It was a copyright thing.

Although, I strongly suspect that "Renegades" is was finally made Paramount realize that continuing the saga from after "Voyager" would indeed still have a market. The fact that "Picard" featured some very renegade-type characters makes me wonder if Paramount didn't take some inspiration from Russ's experiment.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I would have loved to see Tuvok turn up in PIC's season 3 (ideally, as Oh/Nedar's replacement as head of Starfleet Security) but as PIC's filming has already been completed, I fear that would not be possible...

Still, though, it's nice to know that they're not at loggerheads or anything like that.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

I would have loved to see Tuvok turn up in PIC's season 3 (ideally, as Oh/Nedar's replacement as head of Starfleet Security) but as PIC's filming has already been completed, I fear that would not be possible...

Still, though, it's nice to know that they're not at loggerheads or anything like that.

Tuvok does get a cameo in a "Lower Decks" episode. He has no lines, but he's still.in Starfleet. I do think it would be absolutely perfect for Tuvok to end up in Starfleet Intelligence or Section 31, eventually.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I do think it would be absolutely perfect for Tuvok to end up in Starfleet Intelligence or Section 31, eventually.

Agreed on the former...most definitely NOT the latter.

I honestly do not see Tuvok having anything to do with Section 31, other than being actively involved in bringing them down.

Section 31 is basically a criminal conspiracy - completely at odds with everything Tuvok stands for.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

None of them.

This is the correct answer.

 

[Mudd]

Yep. It was a copyright thing.

Although, I strongly suspect that "Renegades" is was finally made Paramount realize that continuing the saga from after "Voyager" would indeed still have a market. The fact that "Picard" featured some very renegade-type characters makes me wonder if Paramount didn't take some inspiration from Russ's experiment.

No.

 

[USS Intrepid]

Yep. It was a copyright thing.

Although, I strongly suspect that "Renegades" is was finally made Paramount realize that continuing the saga from after "Voyager" would indeed still have a market. The fact that "Picard" featured some very renegade-type characters makes me wonder if Paramount didn't take some inspiration from Russ's experiment.

I’m not aware of any legal action against Renegades. I think you’re confusing this with Axanar.