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Possible warning about THX 1138 Blu-Ray

23skidoo

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I just had an unpleasant surprise that is going to change my buying habits with regards to Blu-Ray.

A couple weeks ago Lucas' director's cut of THX-1138 was released to Blu-Ray. As is typical here in Canada the local Future Shop didn't bother ordering it right away, but a copy showed up this week with the new releases. Not actually realizing it was out, I picked it up on spec. I have the DVD set already for this, but I am upgrading to BD when the opportunity arises. THX is actually one of only two examples of a "remastered" film that I like better than the original version (ST-TMP is the other).

I get the disc home and go to play it. After the FBI warning and WB logo the load screen cycles. And cycles. And cycles. After 20 minutes (and a reboot of the player in case it was a glitch) I go online and Google to see if maybe a firmware update is needed. My machine was bought at Christmas and last updated then, so I think maybe the time has come for an update.

I find instead forum entries by people who experienced the same problem as I did. And the solutions given do not include firmware updates - they already tried that. Apparently, according to the "solution posts" Lucas has loaded the THX1138 BD with so much sh*t that most Blu-Ray players don't have enough hard drive space, so apparently it requires an SD card in order to work.

I don't even know if my BD player has an input for an SD - those are the cards used in things like digital cameras. At this point I'll put a question mark next to that in case they meant a flash drive. Though I don't know if my player has a hole for one of those, either.

As noted in the forums, there is nothing on the packaging to suggest that the disc requires extra hard drive space in order to run. Just the usual "playability may vary with the player" disclaimer that basically means make sure the firmware is updated.

I took the Blu-Ray back to the store and managed to get a refund (that itself was a minor miracle as the package was opened :eek: ). But the fact remains my confidence in Blu-Ray just took a hit and it means no more spec/impulse buying of current-release BDs for me. (Fortunately my other spec purchase of the night - the BD version of the Blade Runner 5-disc set - works like a dream. But then, it's a few years old now.) This has some ramifications because there are a bunch of upcoming releases - the Ultimate Editions of Harry Potters 3 and 4, Season 5 of Doctor Who, the inevitable special edition of Avatar - that I won't be buying on release day anymore or ordering from Amazon until after I check them out on the Internet to see if I can play them without having to buy a peripheral or something. To be fair of that list only Avatar has the potential to pull this stunt, but I consider myself lucky to have been able to get a refund on an opened product, so I'll just be more careful this time around. (Ironically I just found a potential argument in favor of getting an iPhone/Smart phone with Internet, but I digress.)

All I'll say is I never had this problem with DVD -- actually not completely true, as there was that fiasco early on when they changed the codec or something and first-generation DVD players were rendered unable to play newer releases. But people bitched so much you'd think they'd have learned.

Your mileage, of course may vary. Someone with a newer player might say they've had no problems. Or someone who perhaps has an older player with a larger drive on it. I'm just passing along my experience as a head's up. That's why I'm calling this a "possible warning".

My life won't be poorer for not having the BD edition of THX-1138. The DVD version looks spectacular on my plasma, so I can live without!

Alex
 
The initial Matrix Dvd gave early players fits when it came out due to the new kinds of special features it included.
 
Ah well, it'll be an excuse for me to upgrade my Sony BDP-S350 to one that doesn't take over a minute to load a disc.
 
Blu-Ray is a cancer. Your best bet these days is to buy the Blu-Ray, file it away unopened, download a rip via bittorrent and stream it to your television.
 
This is why everyone should just get a PS3. They'll play just about anything you throw at them.
 
That's assuming that Sony doesn't decide to remove more features from their players. Let's see, they yanked PS2 compatibility, other OS installation, and playback of SuperAudio CDs. And the 3.0 - 3.01 firmware upgrade crippled Blu-Ray playback on some units and resulted in a class action suit.

And all of this from the company that brought us the Sony rootkit, a dandy piece of malware installed in customers' computers without their knowledge or consent and designed, basically, to spy on their listening habits.

Sorry, I just don't trust Sony any more.
 
Blu-Ray is a cancer. Your best bet these days is to buy the Blu-Ray, file it away unopened, download a rip via bittorrent and stream it to your television.

That's true Anarcho-Socialism; fuck the man, but only after you've bought his product. :lol:

BTW, isn't it against board rules to advocate, or even recommend, downloading illegal rips off torrent sites?
 
Threads like this sure make me want to buy a Blu-ray player. :lol:

Do they even mark the package that certain features are required? Are we going to start needing a "system requirements" label on BRs to make sure your player will actually run the damn thing?
 
Well, my stated intention to now check out Blu-Rays before purchase has just saved me 20 bucks.

According to this website for Panasonic, Crank 2: High Voltage, another film I nearly bought on spec last night, also requires an SD card to play:

http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-...o/Blu-ray-Disc-Players/FAQs/model.DMP-BD60K.F

In answer to the question earlier, I have a Sony player but I don't know the model number.

I'm hoping some A-type has or will put together a website listing movies that require peripherals. It's definitely put me off any plans to buy the original Star Wars trilogy when it comes out on BD.

Just to be fair, this is the first time I've actually encountered a negative with Blu-Ray. Alice in Wonderland works fine, the Blade Runner 5-disc set loads up instantly.

Do they even mark the package that certain features are required? Are we going to start needing a "system requirements" label on BRs to make sure your player will actually run the damn thing?

Although I think it's utterly insane that we need to have such labels, I think they're going to have to start doing this. They already do for games, so maybe a little label saying "SD card required" is the key. Thing is, how big an SD card? Are you needing to buy a card for every film? Are they going to have to start including SD cards packaged with the discs?

It's crap like this that makes me glad that 99% of the discs I buy are still DVD because most of the shows I enjoy are not being released in high-def.

Alex
 
Wow. I'm glad I just have a DVD player. I shouldn't have to upgrade to play a movie, it shouldn't be like a computer game.
 
You'd think the disc would at least play the movie even if all the special features weren't available. What does it need to store on that SD card anyway?

Like some others I bought a PS3 for a Blu-Ray player because I knew the unit was likely as updatable as possible.
 
Threads like this sure make me want to buy a Blu-ray player. :lol:

Threads like this make me glad I own a PS3.

^ Same here. ;)

Yeah, and you don't even have to use the menu to get TOS blu-rays to play right and it isn't too expensive to get a remote, or a nice vertical stand so it doesn't take up so much room.

And the best thing about mine is I got the Dark Knight on Blu-ray and the game Arkham Asylum for free with it.
 
My player (Sony BDP-S560) has no SD card slot, but it does have a USB port to add a memory stick. I assume this would be sufficient?
 
So much for standards, eh? I think this is an example of technology getting in the way of usability. It might be fun on paper to be able to update firmware and have a way to expand, but it's no fair to the consumer to make it a requirement when not all players are equal. If they're not going to make all players be equal, they should perhaps start using a rating system for different type of Blueray players, similar to movie ratings, using only a symbol that could be used on a package and be instantly recognizable. Like say, a Blueray player that could be expanded with more memory could be called Blueray Deluxe, or BD. You see Blueray Deluxe on the package, you know what you're buying.
 
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