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Plot Holes in 'First Contact'

Very possible. Maybe the transwarp conduit Janeway wiped was their plan to finally get serious. Instead of sending one cube from their outskirts, they would sent 20 or so. Bye bye, Federation... :eek:
 
But there's no evidence that the Federation is a very real threat to them.

During BoBW a single cube made it to Earth and would have assimilated the planet except for some unorthodox thinking by one William Riker and the Borg failing to keep their firewall software up to date.

In FC a single cube made it to Earth and might have assimilated the planet except for Picard retaining a link to the Collective (apparently the Borg continue to fail to keep their firewall software up to date).

If the Borg had sent two cubes, or ten cubes, or shown any real desire to assimilate Earth, it would have been a very different story.

The Borg aren't trying to assimilate the Federation; they're toying with it.

That was the inherent problem with how the Borg were shown in Voyager. In both BoBW and FC, we get the impression that there's only one cube period. It's very powerful, and when it appears, lots of people die. But it's still only one cube.

But then VOY showed that the Borg have these all-powerful fleets of cubes, and giant Transwarp hubs with endpoints all over the galaxy (and one conveniently within 1 light year of Earth!) It's completely unbelievable that the Borg haven't already assimilated the entire galaxy already with what we saw. So I don't think it is a matter of the Borg 'toying' with the Federation, because they would logically have no reason to do that. It's more a matter of the people producing VOY making them too all-powerful and yet also standoffish for some illogical reason. It truly makes no sense.
 
Unless you believe the Borg aren't going full-bore on assimilation because they believe it will benefit them more in their quest for perfection to let other civilizations become more advanced before assimilating them.

In that sense, the Federation's playing right into the Borg's hands, because every time the Borg attack the Federation gets a bit tougher and more technologically advanced, while still posing no real threat to them.
 
Unless you believe the Borg aren't going full-bore on assimilation because they believe it will benefit them more in their quest for perfection to let other civilizations become more advanced before assimilating them.

In that sense, the Federation's playing right into the Borg's hands, because every time the Borg attack the Federation gets a bit tougher and more technologically advanced, while still posing no real threat to them.

Nope, I don’t believe that. I have seen nothing to indicate that they have any objective sense other than to assimilate on contact.
 
I assume that history recorded the other pilot as having died in an Eastern Coalition attack the night before, so Cochrane and Lily made the flight alone.

Or perhaps the flight - and past history - always proceeded exactly the way we saw it, and it was a predestination paradox. Thus, ST:FC was always supposed to happen, and so there never was a version of the Phoenix's flight that didn't include Riker and Geordi.

The fact that the Enterprise and crew returned to the same future they left, would tend to support this theory. ;)
 
"isn't it weird that Gabriel Bell looks like Captain Sisko? And Phoenix Flight Specialist Randy Randerson looks like Commander Riker? And Phoenix Navigator Chet Manly looks like Commander La Forge? And Zephram Cochrane looks like George Sibley from Six Feet Under?" :lol:
 
Why was it that the borg cube actually got blow'd up in FC? we know the Borg knew about this weakness cuz capt almighty knew about ir. why not fix it sooner, or divert power from affected systems when starfleet started attacking?
 
Why was it that the borg cube actually got blow'd up in FC? we know the Borg knew about this weakness cuz capt almighty knew about ir. why not fix it sooner, or divert power from affected systems when starfleet started attacking?
Given that the ship had been pummeled repeatedly, and probably with weapons that kept changing frequency, it might have absorbed more damage than its damage control systems could restore. They were frantically trying to protect that one area, but it was too late: Picard knew as well, and directed a massive assault on that vulnerable area, and kaboom.
 
First Contact is an extremely fun movie, and I like it, but turning the Borg into zombie-looking creatures led by a mustache-twirling queen was the ruination of the Borg.
 
Another inconsistency... Picard uses a 1920's era submachine gun, and Worf uses a mek'leth. Both slaughter Borg efficiently, evdn though they have undoubtedly encountered blades and projectiles in the past. So, if Borg can't adapt to bullets, why didn't the Enterprise crew just replicate a bunch of submachine guns?
 
Another inconsistency... Picard uses a 1920's era submachine gun, and Worf uses a mek'leth. Both slaughter Borg efficiently, evdn though they have undoubtedly encountered blades and projectiles in the past. So, if Borg can't adapt to bullets, why didn't the Enterprise crew just replicate a bunch of submachine guns?
I think that was a one time use effectiveness deal.
 
ok, not a plot hole, just an idea I have...
who would win, Starfleet or the xenomorph from the alien saga?
what about the borg vs xenomorph?
 
ok, not a plot hole, just an idea I have...
who would win, Starfleet or the xenomorph from the alien saga?
what about the borg vs xenomorph?
Depends on the situation. Trapped on an abandoned space station? Or in a fair fight with all their technologies available to them? I don't think a xenomorph would stand much chance against a group of Starfleet officers armed with phaser rifles. Even the acid blood wouldn't be much of a problem, since phasers can be set to vaporize the target.
 
Another inconsistency... Picard uses a 1920's era submachine gun, and Worf uses a mek'leth. Both slaughter Borg efficiently, evdn though they have undoubtedly encountered blades and projectiles in the past. So, if Borg can't adapt to bullets, why didn't the Enterprise crew just replicate a bunch of submachine guns?
I've just assumed that not all Borg are equipped with every single defense mechanism all the time. Since the loss of one Borg or one Borg cube or a handful of Borg cubes inflicts negligible damage to the Collective, single drones are highly expendable. Heck, perhaps the first drone(s) is/are intentionally sent in with minimal defenses to see what kinds of weaponry they might encounter.
 
But that would mean that the Borg had never faced bullets or blades.
Not necessarily. They probably don't encounter either very often simply because by the time they come to assimilate a species, that species usually is past projectile weapons and blades.

And being honest, Worf got lucky he was able to use his mek'leth in such close proximity those few times. Even his great skill as a fighter could only work so often because all it takes is a single Borg nanoprobe to get onto him and he'd be done.



Borg redshirts? :borg::lol:
More accurate than you think.

We've seen many times how the Borg don't think twice to send mass amounts of drones. While this strategy is detrimental to most, it works for the Borg for two reasons.

1. They immediately know what is used on them so they can analyze and adapt faster.

2. They assimilate others. Even if they lose 100 drones, they can easily replace them with the people they go after by assimilation.


Especially since they don't think as individuals, they look at every drone as expendable.
 
If they ever took up cloning, they wouldn't need to assimilate the bodies of their victims - just hack their minds and kill. They could create an army of copies of whichever individuals they deemed superior. Imagine Seven or Picard having to kill hundreds of Borg, all in their likeness.
 
The Borg don't do that because a clone is a copy... same experiences, talents, etc. They want to get as wide a variety as possible to increase their knowledge and experience.

Like Janeway said in "SCORPION", the Borg get their knowledge through assimilation instead of investigation, which in that case gave them an edge regarding Species 8472.
 
They could assimilate minds and discard bodies, placing the minds (the memories, not the actual brains) into bodies they felt were superior. Which would change as they found newer, better "models".
 
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