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Spoilers Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Men Tell No Tales Review Thread

Rate PotC: Dead Men Tell No Tales


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Grade: B

Probably the best film to attempt and largely re-create the original film of Curse of the Black Pearl. Successfully I'd say.
I could see the Barbosa family tie coming from the second act but that's ok, doesn't make it a bad story element. The CGI to de-age Johnny Depp was great and after RDJ and Michael Douglas also being de-aged great in the Marvel films I ask....how did they F-up Carrie Fisher so bad in SW:R1???

I'd say if you are avoiding this cause of the last one do yourself a favor and catch it. It redeems the series quite a lot I felt.
 
I have neither the will nor inclination to find out myself, so can anyone tell me why the film has two titles? I went to see Salazar's Revenge over here in the UK, but I see reviews and posters for Dead Men Tell No Tales (better title)... legal snafu over title rights for the latter?
Dead Men Tell No Tales was originally meant to be the title for the movie, but for some reason it was changed to Salazar's Revenge in Europe while still called Dead Men Tell No Tales in North America. An explanation has not been provided.
 
The fifth movie in Disney's Pirates of the Carribean series, Dead Men Tell No Tales was released in theaters yesterday. The film picks up on a couple plot threads from the series threads from the series third and fourth movies, but it also follows it's own new plot which introduces us to a whole collection of new heroes and villains. The three biggest editions to the series cast would be Brenton Thwaits' Henry Turner, the son of the first trilogy's heroes Will Turner and Elizabeth Swan, Kaya Scoldelario's Carina Smyth/
Barbossa
, an astronomer, horologist (this actually leads to some of the movie's best jokes), with important knowledge for the other characters' quest, and Javier Bardem as the main villain Armando Salazar.
Series regulars Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow, Geoffrey Rush as Hector Barboss, Kevin McNally as Joshamee Gibbs, and Martin Klebba as Marty, all return, along with returning cast members Stephen Graham as Scrum, and Angus Barnett & Giles New as Mullroy & Murtaugh.
The main focus of the plot is a quest for Trident of Poseidon, which all of the characters want for their own reason. The movie also provides a bit of backstory for Jack and his compass.
Overall I enjoyed it, but it did drag a bit in a few places.
The opening sequence, which takes the term bank heist a bit more literally than usual, is one of my favorite sequences in the entire series.
The two new heroes Henry and Carina were nice editions to the cast, and were definitely better heroes than on Stranger Tides' Phillip and Syrena. Henry being Will and Elizabeth's son, and the reveal at the end that Carina
is Barbossa's daughter
gives them a nice connection to the series and fans.
Salazar was a pretty good villain.
While the end has a small hint towards a possible future story, the biggest plot threads from the previous movies, the fate of the Black Pearl, and Will's curse are both resolved, so this could easily be a very nice ending to the entire series.
My Rating: B
Gave it a B-, but this review sums up my own views well enough. My 11 year old son loved it--as he loves all its predecessors.
 
I saw this over the weekend. Picked it up for Black Friday.

I thought this was okay. What brings it down is Depp sleepwalking through his performance, our new Will and Elizabeth (Henry and Carina) being glorified supporting characters, rehashed elements from COTBP, and whoever's instistence it was to dial up "Jack Sparrow is a terrible pirate, look at him fail/flail trying to be good at his job".

Captain Salazar was silly but his SFX was pretty cool.

I'll likely rewatch the movie later this week.

How does it hold up to the other 4 with me?

5. At Worlds End - Still dreadful for a multitude of reasons.

4. Dead Men Tell No Tales - See complaints above.

3. On Stranger Tides - Things we demand from a pirates movie. Swashbuckling, high sea adventues, exoitc locations and creatures (those MERMAIDS!), familiar mysticism.

2. Dead Man's Chest - On Stranger Tides but done much better. Too bad it's part of a two part story.

1. Curse Of The Black Pearl - A classic that redefined a genre.

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That video is awesome, and probably the best contribution to the POTC franchise from 2011. Also, Bolton looks strangely identical to Sarah Jessica Parker towards the end when he is dressed up like her.
 
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Stuff I liked:
Scodelario's Carina, Bardem and the sunrise flashback, the dénouement, the island of stars and the trippier parts of the climactic action sequence. Also, the return of series MVP Kevin McNally (Gibbs).

Stuff I disliked: the whole first hour, including the bank heist (what, are those Kryptonian horses?!), Barbossa being dragged back into the action for no good reason, Thwaites' Henry Turner (zzzzzzz), the "romance" and apology-centric "banter", and the bludgeoning excess of the third-act action set pieces that made this two-hour movie feel much longer. The general shameless regurgitation of undead baddies, sniveling Brits, mystical maritime whatsits and dull white hetero lovers (and don't forget Jack's compass!) that combine to make The Force Awakens look original compared to its predecessors. And, though I love Bill Nighy, let's not have any more Davy Jones, either.

Conclusion: Well, it's better than the wretched, naval battle-free On Stranger Tides, and it's not as lousy as At World's End, either. Moreover, given that it's twenty minutes shorter than CotBP, I'm pretty sure it's better than that, too. In any case, it's certainly nowhere near as great as the one legitimately good entry, DMC. As for the franchise's future, novelty is sorely needed, and I for one vote for fewer men and more women. Get Keira Knightley and Penélope Cruz together on an adventure, with Scodelario along for the ride and Thwaites forgotten, and we might just have a sail worth taking. Heck, they could make Geena Davis the villain! :p

C+
 
Why is Jack searching for the Fountain of Youth in OST - because he yearns for immortality, or because he gets roped up in Blackbeard's quest? (And Blackbeard is inspired to quest because he heard a prophecy, and Barbossa is only in the movie because Blackbeard shrank the Black Pearl, an ability which has f----all to do with the rest of the story.)

On Stranger Tides is my least favorite film in the series and a large part of that has to do with Blackbeard being such a meh character. Instead, I heartily recommend that you all read Tim Powers' novel On Stranger Tides (an unrelated pirate novel about Blackbeard & the Fountain of Youth that "inspired" the 4th POTC movie). In the novel, Blackbeard is depicted as the most powerful voodoo practitioner in history and he's a genuinely terrifying character. The novel also ties the fantasy elements into the real historical figures in a surprisingly plausible way.

And two, it looked as if the writers had revamped the story regarding the compass. I could have sworn that Tia Dalma had given it to Jack.

*headsmack!* I completely forgot about Tia Dalma's line in Dead Man's Chest where she says that she gave the compass to Jack!

:sigh: I've never seen any of the Pirates movies, but was checking in here to see if anyone said anything about how Paul did. Alas, he was always a particularly lousy actor....

His cameo is very incidental but he gets a couple of fun dumb jokes that made me laugh. It's less substantial than Keith Richards' cameos in the last 2 films.

If they're going to make a habit of all of Jack's relatives being old rockers, I'm hoping that Stevie Nicks gets a cameo as his aunt or something.

Probably the best film to attempt and largely re-create the original film of Curse of the Black Pearl. Successfully I'd say.
I could see the Barbosa family tie coming from the second act but that's OK, doesn't make it a bad story element.

The second time around, I realized that this film ends basically exactly how the first one did with Jack back in command of the Black Pearl, Barbosa dead, and Will & Elizabeth living happily ever after.

I though Geoffrey Rush did a great job with the whole family angle. I'm a huge fan of his character generally. But, by & large, I felt a bit tired of him and his death at the end felt predictable and unengaging. (As opposed to, say, Han Solo's death in The Force Awakens, where they work super-hard to get you excited about the premise of him & Rey & Chewie flying off to have adventures together only to yank that rug out from under you, Joss Whedon-style.)

I'd say if you are avoiding this cause of the last one do yourself a favor and catch it. It redeems the series quite a lot I felt.

I have a friend who felt so traumatized by the end of the Will/Elizabeth romance at the end of At World's End that she refused the rewatch the first 3 movies ever again. This movie redeemed that entire trilogy for her. As she put it, "Now, instead of At World's End being a really bad finale, it's just a really awkward middle movie."

Personally, I loved the tragic end to At World's End. As convoluted as that movie was, it worked hard to earn the epic tragic ending for the young lovers. For me, it's very unlikely that any future installment would eclipse that original Pirates trilogy. However, Dead Men Tell No Tales is a worthwhile piece of fluff. It's certainly the funniest film in the series. The action isn't as good as On Stranger Tides but it holds together better because it doesn't put quite as much of the story weight onto Jack.

Also, the return of series MVP Kevin McNally (Gibbs).

He's definately one of the best parts of the series. He came to town recently for Phoenix FanFest but I was too busy to go. :(

Although, for me, the definitive characters in the franchise are Pintel & Raghetti. Their Greek chorus was what kept the first 3 films grounded for me and the series hasn't been the same since they left. My friends have a theory that they were supposed to be in the 5th film but had a scheduling conflict or something, so the roles were rewritten for Murtogg & Mulroy.

As for the franchise's future, novelty is sorely needed, and I for one vote for fewer men and more women. Get Keira Knightley and Penélope Cruz together on an adventure, with Scodelario along for the ride and Thwaites forgotten, and we might just have a sail worth taking. Heck, they could make Geena Davis the villain

I would love to see that!

For another potential spin-off pitch, since the last couple movies have done substantially better overseas than they have in the U.S., maybe Disney should consider partnering up with a Chinese company and do a big budget film in Mandarin about the Pirates of the South China Seas or something like that. (Maybe squeeze in a brief Jack Sparrow cameo just to connect the franchises and help sell the film to non-Asian markets.)
 
For another potential spin-off pitch, since the last couple movies have done substantially better overseas than they have in the U.S., maybe Disney should consider partnering up with a Chinese company and do a big budget film in Mandarin about the Pirates of the South China Seas or something like that. (Maybe squeeze in a brief Jack Sparrow cameo just to connect the franchises and help sell the film to non-Asian markets.)
Kind of like Fast and Furious 3?

Also, when they introduced Sao Feng, pirate lord of Singapore, I thought that would be a great place to go explore is in the Far East. Away from the European powers, and in to a whole new host of mythological powers and government threats. Really would love to see that.

As an aside, I'll not understand the criticism of Henry Turner. He and Carina, as well as Barbossa, were my favorite part of the film. The whole mythology of the compass annoyed me, and really reminded me of the poorer aspects of DMC, which is not a good thing. As it stands, I would prefer CotBP and DMTNT to the rest of the franchise.
 
I never saw "Tokyo Drift" but my idea is at least a little different because I thought that movie was still primarily in English. My pitch is to actually do the next "Pirates" in Mandarin.

I thought that Henry and Corina were fine enough. They lack the screen presence of Will and Elizabeth but they have more spunk than Phillip and Serena.
 
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