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Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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Datasbeard said:
Not at all. I was merely explaining why I think Discovery doesn’t challenge what’s come before, as a counterpoint to your claim that it does. That doesn’t mean I can’t also enjoy it, or feel that it enriches the franchise. I like both the original and the new BSG, for example. They’re completely incompatible universes, of course, and I don’t think the new one helps me reflect in any way on the old, or challenges my previous conceptions of anything from it. But I do enjoy them both, in very different ways, and I think that’s a common experience with reboots and remakes. Discovery isn’t as drastic a departure, obviously. But in itself, that has no bearing on whether I like the show or not.
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i found getting more insight into characters that weren't significantly developed, such as Sarek, Miranda, Captain Pike, Number One, and even a view of Spock at an age I've never seen him before to add to my experience of Star Trek and to reevaluate those characters since its possible to do this, because its addition not reimagining. They aren't different characters with different sexes, different ethnicity, different pasts, Spock isn't played by a woman. Captain Pike isn't a robot. I get it that you refuse to let any of it seep into how you look at TOS. But I read a lot of Star Trek books and comics when I was a kid, like many other people have and looking for new ways to interpret Star Trek and not feel the need to divorce a new book from what we previously know is actually worthwhile, not dangerous and damaging.
 
Amasov said:
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Hmmmmmmmm.
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Looks like our favorite Captain is in danger of becoming a Desperado.
 
Datasbeard said:
Well, I just meant even a full-out reboot can enrich a franchise. The new BSG definitely enriched the BSG franchise. But in the case of Discovery, I agree, but not because of all the visual changes. I just don’t find the stories compelling or interesting in any way.
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Full out reboots are about replacing a vision, not enriching. This is not to say they can't be better than what they are replacing, but replacement is the goal.
 
BillJ said:
The visual changes are irksome to a degree, but they aren't the reason the show failed for me. The stories just seemed so poorly thought out and the surprises telegraphed from a mile away.

I hope in season three that Sonequa Martin-Green gets material that is worthy of her considerable talent. Not stale rehashes of other characters journeys and poorly written monologues.
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:beer: 100%
 
thribs said:
Having Section 31 as the villains in Picard would be funny since that’s what the novels in the last few years have been dealing with. Picard unknowingly being involved in a Section 31 plot which got him in a lot of dodo.
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Honestly, if it turned out to be Section 31, I'd quit watching. While I know that may sound extreme, I just hate Section 31 and I'm so tired of Trek going back to it.
 
Alan Roi said:
i found getting more insight into characters that weren't significantly developed, such as Sarek, Miranda, Captain Pike, Number One, and even a view of Spock at an age I've never seen him before to add to my experience of Star Trek and to reevaluate those characters since its possible to do this, because its addition not reimagining.
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I can appreciate that, and even agree to an extent. I’m not a huge TOS fan, and I think that may partly be why I’m less invested in these characters’ stories. But I can well imagine that if TNG got visually-rebooted, with new actors playing Data and Geordi, I would be much more intrigued and would be much more willing to ignore any inconsistencies. For me, though, it really is much more about the stories, and like many others, I was not impressed by the first two seasons. On the other hand, what I’ve seen in the trailers for S3 has me very excited and I’m really looking forward to it.
 
cooleddie74 said:
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It is nice to see Jean-Luc come to his senses, though.

"The queen of hearts is always your best bet."
 
thribs said:
Most other shows would have least shown them with some damage. Why wasn’t he in a hospital?
Maybe Picard is also a Replicant. :)
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Because whoever cleansed up that mess, absolutely did not want anybody to know what happened.
Massive cover-up.
 
thribs said:
I assume Picard kicked Marie out when he moved back. Without Robert, she’s not real family now. :)
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She could’ve moved on her own. She likely wouldn’t want to run the vineyard alone and it is the place her husband and son died horrifically, so she may want to avoid it for her own mental health. Picard may have taken in over in order to help her by letting her not have to worry about it. So she’s on some senior living planet where you just enjoy your last years in luxury.
 
Amasov said:
Honestly, if it turned out to be Section 31, I'd quit watching. While I know that may sound extreme, I just hate Section 31 and I'm so tired of Trek going back to it.
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Yeah, S31 would sour my opinion on this show very fast.
 
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