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Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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Thanks for this. The premise sounds intriguing to me. Is it explained at all where they got the Data parts? He seemed pretty obliterated in NEM. Presumably, some components may have been removed and replaced over time.

It's not really physical "parts", it's, like, particles from his brain. Like positrons or something. I can't remember the explanation, it was a little confusing.
 
Definitely. This is one of those shows where the individual episodes have no distinct story or character. They're just chunks out of the larger whole.

Which is not an approach I'm a huge fan of. As much as I griped about "The Mandalorian" having so many standalones......

But, in this case, given that the episodes really are just pieces of the whole....one a week is going to be annoying, especially since these first three are really just protracted set-up and backstory.

Somewhere on another thread I once read a possible explanation for why Discovery, potholes and production errors notwithstanding, feels so much less "optimistic" than the other TNG or VOY or DS9. (At least, to some of us.) This person's idea was that it was precisely because it wasn't an episodic show, because there's a war going on, and because it's still going on at the end of each episode and the start of the next one. There's no "return to normal" like there was on the episodic series. I think, actually, that this is a very astute observation, and agree with it completely. I wonder to what extent Star Trek just doesn't work as a "10-hour movie", irrespective of whether it's set in space or on Earth, or what the premise is. Part of what a lot of us liked is its vision of the future, a world we would gladly jump into and live in given the opportunity. That's true for me even in DS9 during the Dominion War, or even in VOY when the ship is stuck on the other side of the galaxy. Not so much with Disco, and I suspect it own't be the case with Picard as much either. (Though I'm super stoked for Picard, and everything about it sounds pretty good to me so far—don't get me wrong!) I wonder if Star Trek will eventually return to a more episodic format. It's possible to do, even with an overarching story, like in DS9. For that matter, even Disco was a bit more episodic in S2, and for me, anyway, those were some of the better episodes of the show. All just my opinion. To each their own! :)
 
It's not really physical "parts", it's, like, particles from his brain. Like positrons or something. I can't remember the explanation, it was a little confusing.

LOL. I hope it's not just positrons. You don't need Data for that… :)
 
LOL. I hope it's not just positrons. You don't need Data for that… :)

True! I don't remember the exact wording. It was a bit of technobabble, the implication being that they used particles (programming??) from Data's brain to create
Dahj and her twin sister
 
True! I don't remember the exact wording. It was a bit of technobabble, the implication being that they used particles (programming??) from Data's brain to create
Dahj and her twin sister
Got it. That makes some sense. Data was clearly a more sophisticated android than B4, and it could be that extra piece of software was what they used for Dahj and her sister. Maddox could well have been in possession of this already. Data seemed pretty chummy with him in "Data's Day", writing him letters with updates about his life, etc. So conceivably, so long as Maddox agreed to stop being an asshole, Data may have cooperated by giving him access to his brain for research purposes. (During TNG.)
 
Emissary was good. Maybe not amazing, but solid. Heck even Caretaker was at least pretty good.

So overall you'd rate the beginning of Picard as worse than Emissary and Caretaker, but better than Encounter at Farpoint and Broken Bow?
 
Of course the writing matters, but it starting off as a slow burn is more in line of what I'm used to from a lot of the streaming shows I watch.
 
Definitely. This is one of those shows where the individual episodes have no distinct story or character. They're just chunks out of the larger whole.

Which is not an approach I'm a huge fan of. As much as I griped about "The Mandalorian" having so many standalones......

But, in this case, given that the episodes really are just pieces of the whole....one a week is going to be annoying, especially since these first three are really just protracted set-up and backstory.

I guess my big question is, did you find it entertaining while watching it?
 
So overall you'd rate the beginning of Picard as worse than Emissary and Caretaker, but better than Encounter at Farpoint and Broken Bow?

It's hard to quantify, as it's a very different beast. Those shows were specifically, "Here's the world! Here's the premise! Meet all the characters! Got it? Good!"

And now it's akin to watching the first act and a half of an episode. You just get a little bit of set-up.

Are there good scenes? Certainly. Some intriguing plot threads? Yes. Some new characters I'm at least mildly interested in? Yeah....

But, by it's very nature, it's a less satisfying, less "complete" experience, even watching all 3. It doesn't tell an entire story, so it's a little frustrating. And very hard to make a direct comparison to something so different.

I guess my big question is, did you find it entertaining while watching it?

For the most part, yes. I have some issues...
 
Of course the writing matters, but it starting off as a slow burn is more in line of what I'm used to from a lot of the streaming shows I watch.

Same. I've no issue with that type of pacing, particularly as in the longterm I know I'll be watching it in big chunks. It's immediate release pattern doesn't particularly bother me, in the grand scheme.
 
I guess my big question is, did you find it entertaining while watching it?

As a general rule, waiting one week for a show like that works provided there's actually a well-planned goal and ending. The reason S1 of Disco was such a disaster, in my view, is that they clearly either had no good ending planned, or changed gears radically in the middle. The last two episodes were such a fucking mess. Not quite as bad as Lost, but that's not much of a trophy…
 
guilty as charged. I thought @Crewman6 would be fine with disclosing these spoilers since they didn’t contain any personal information. Posted them without asking, my bad!

I, for one, am thankful for your sharing of this information. Without it, we'd know NOTHING beyond what was in the trailers.

This is the stingiest the Internet has ever been with sharing spoilers. Twitter is practically bereft - we only learn that Mars appears in each ep and looks space-accurate.*

*Unlike in VOY: "One Small Step", where TPTB rejected including Mars imagery.
 
@Crewman6 I'm going to say then that...
I think Maddux reverse-engineered whatever he could from Data's schematics and that's what he used to put together the brains of the Dahj twins.
 
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