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Overview of the Galaxy Class

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The Galaxy as we all know, was built to showcase starfleet's technical and scientific capabilities of the day, to represent the ultimate multi purpose platform, equally able to deal with combat, exploratory, diplomatic and humanitarian roles. Clearly she outmatched her peer vessels domestic and foreign on a regular basis, seemingly being a straight up match for a V'orcha or D'deridex whilst having the capabilities of a science ship, hospital ship, rescue vessel, colony transport, mobile starbase, C and C centre, etc added in.

However she has not gone without her share of criticisms, notably that she was hugely expensive, wastefully inflexible compared to multiple more specialised ships (overkill when deployed to map stellar phenomena, for example) and distinctly underpowered and cumbersome in combat scenarios for a ship of her size and sophistication.

Of course given that the big E was our hero ship in any given episode, routine missions inevitably unexpectedly result in life or death dramas with the ship and her crew triumphing against the odds, BUT overall how successful do people feel the class was on a strategic and economic level? Did she become the intended powerhouse and backbone of the fleet or would SF have been better off with it's eggs in several baskets?
 
distinctly underpowered and cumbersome in combat scenarios for a ship of her size and sophistication.

I'm not sure the above would be true even without the qualification. We have never seen a more powerful starship of any size or sophistication, after all. The Galaxy is the only ship shown handling Cardassian Galors without breaking a sweat (although her sister design Nebula supposedly could do that shields down, we didn't actually see that happen on screen). She furthermore reputedly can handle fifteen of those at a time! In multi-opponent engagements, no other ship has done much good; the Defiant on occasion handled multiple targets, but of midget size. And villains seem to universally acknowledge the E-D as a tough opponent, even though of course we're a bit biased in only following that particular ship rather than some random Akira or Steamrunner.

Timo Saloniemi
 
While I love ds9 and the Voyager, you could practically Park a galaxy class by the Wormhole and serve many of the functions of the station, and if Voyager had been a galaxy class instead of a plucky intrepid, the whole journey home would have been less daunting and possibly faster to boot (the parody twitter covers what would happen if it was enterprise in a season 8 of tng)
It already has a park inside it, plenty of space for fruit and veg, and was designed to practically be a generational ship in the first place (families on board)

After tng, most of Trek takes a few scifi steps back to being Twentieth Century in space, the same step back we see between TMP and TWOK.

So...much love for the galaxy, a town in space. Bonus points for the little intrepid that could, and the rickety mining station that did it's damndest.
 
I'm not sure the above would be true even without the qualification. We have never seen a more powerful starship of any size or sophistication, after all. The Galaxy is the only ship shown handling Cardassian Galors without breaking a sweat (although her sister design Nebula supposedly could do that shields down, we didn't actually see that happen on screen). She furthermore reputedly can handle fifteen of those at a time! In multi-opponent engagements, no other ship has done much good; the Defiant on occasion handled multiple targets, but of midget size. And villains seem to universally acknowledge the E-D as a tough opponent, even though of course we're a bit biased in only following that particular ship rather than some random Akira or Steamrunner.

Timo Saloniemi

I will disregard the likes of the Borg, Fasarius, species 8472, etc here and comment only on peer level vessels.
Vessels of a similar level of power and sophistication may include, for instance, Dominion Cruisers. We have no definitive idea of their overall technological level, although it may well be beyond starfleet's given their use of neutronium for instance, but it is clear that they are on a par and their dedicated combat vessels are monstrously powerful. The Tamarian vessel in "Darmok" also springs to mind as an example, although again we have no idea of their sophistication. The Prometheus also occurs (you did not specify alien vessels, merely similar or greater power and sophistication), as does the Scimitar, or the Voth city ship amongst others.

A better way of phrasing my point here, therefore, may be to compare the Galaxy with what else SF could have produced in their place and how that would have compared in terms of overall strategic benefit. I already acknowledged that like for like they match up to their Romulan and Klingon counterparts despite devoting a smaller portion of their total capacity to tactical systems. Does that, therefore mean that they represent the best investment of SF's ship building budget?

A single ship can only be in one place at a time for instance, whilst multiple vessels are inherently more flexible. A Galaxy may have been a powerful opponent relative to her regular AQ opponents but the resources required for her tactical suite could have produced a much smaller combat oriented vessel with far less dead weight, excess crew and civilian population, vastly improved maneuverability and a smaller volume to shield ratio.

In addition, that would have freed up resources to have likely built a science ship, patrol vessel, etc, with equally reduced crew requirements, far cheaper tactical systems, less fuel costly engines, etc and crucially, the ability to be deployed elsewhere, away from the front lines without wasting resources.

This, after all, seems to be the direction SF went post TNG/DS9 with even the E-E being smaller and more specialised than her larger predecessor, whilst there is no mention of further Galaxy production

Does the sheer scale and capabilities of the Galaxy genuinely make up for the fact that the resources required to build her could just as readily have built several vessels?
 
I will disregard the likes of the Borg, Fasarius, species 8472, etc here and comment only on peer level vessels.
Vessels of a similar level of power and sophistication may include, for instance, Dominion Cruisers. We have no definitive idea of their overall technological level, although it may well be beyond starfleet's given their use of neutronium for instance, but it is clear that they are on a par and their dedicated combat vessels are monstrously powerful. The Tamarian vessel in "Darmok" also springs to mind as an example, although again we have no idea of their sophistication. The Prometheus also occurs (you did not specify alien vessels, merely similar or greater power and sophistication), as does the Scimitar, or the Voth city ship amongst others.

A better way of phrasing my point here, therefore, may be to compare the Galaxy with what else SF could have produced in their place and how that would have compared in terms of overall strategic benefit. I already acknowledged that like for like they match up to their Romulan and Klingon counterparts despite devoting a smaller portion of their total capacity to tactical systems. Does that, therefore mean that they represent the best investment of SF's ship building budget?

A single ship can only be in one place at a time for instance, whilst multiple vessels are inherently more flexible. A Galaxy may have been a powerful opponent relative to her regular AQ opponents but the resources required for her tactical suite could have produced a much smaller combat oriented vessel with far less dead weight, excess crew and civilian population, vastly improved maneuverability and a smaller volume to shield ratio.

In addition, that would have freed up resources to have likely built a science ship, patrol vessel, etc, with equally reduced crew requirements, far cheaper tactical systems, less fuel costly engines, etc and crucially, the ability to be deployed elsewhere, away from the front lines without wasting resources.

This, after all, seems to be the direction SF went post TNG/DS9 with even the E-E being smaller and more specialised than her larger predecessor, whilst there is no mention of further Galaxy production

Does the sheer scale and capabilities of the Galaxy genuinely make up for the fact that the resources required to build her could just as readily have built several vessels?

When the Galaxy was built resources were bountiful (in universe peace time, and in terms of how the tng era was originally conceived)
 
Yet it doesn't seem as if there should be much difference between peacetime and wartime in Star Trek. Nothing about the Dominion War indicates the UFP would be cut off from key or bulk resources, or that shipbuilding would go up or down. Conversely, Starfleet is clearly already starved of resources in peacetime, as it has too few ships to deal with border incursions, colonial calamities or key scientific observations, forcing our heroes to respond solo, after the nick of time.

Vessels of a similar level of power and sophistication may include, for instance, Dominion Cruisers. We have no definitive idea of their overall technological level, although it may well be beyond starfleet's given their use of neutronium for instance, but it is clear that they are on a par and their dedicated combat vessels are monstrously powerful. The Tamarian vessel in "Darmok" also springs to mind as an example, although again we have no idea of their sophistication. The Prometheus also occurs (you did not specify alien vessels, merely similar or greater power and sophistication), as does the Scimitar, or the Voth city ship amongst others.

There doesn't seem to be much support for the idea that Dominion capital ships would be better than Galaxies, despite supposedly representing absolute concentration on combat capabilities. The Tamarians outgun our heroes, but that is probably with a ship as "diverse" as the E-D, as the Tamarians aren't portrayed as monomaniacal warriors; it just goes to show that "ace of all trades" is a good approach by galactic standards. The Prometheus takes on a Nebula one on one, but doesn't manage a clean kill, despite the Romulans having a motivation for one, so it's at best an indication of parity with Galaxy-category ships. And a city ship really shouldn't be included in this discussion...

A single ship can only be in one place at a time for instance, whilst multiple vessels are inherently more flexible.

Yet our heroes often only barely survive their combat engagements. Building six weak ships in place of one strong vessel would mean wasting all the resources, as none of those other ships would be useful. Except in noncombat applications, perhaps, but those weren't part of the original argument.

the resources required for her tactical suite could have produced a much smaller combat oriented vessel with far less dead weight, excess crew and civilian population, vastly improved maneuverability and a smaller volume to shield ratio.

We see no onscreen disadvantage from "dead" weight, "excess" onboard personnel, maneuverability, or shield characteristics. No vessel in Starfleet is more agile than the E-D, in terms of turn rate or the like. We have little idea of relative linear acceleration, but that only means there's no support for the idea of the E-D being sluggish, either. The hit rate of Trek weaponry is 100% anyway, and justly so, because there's no reason competent future fire control systems should allow for a miss; there's no indication that maneuvering would reduce the enemy's frequency of achieving those 100% hits, either. And "volume to shield ratio" is unlikely to be a concern, as many warrior species build their ships with excessively reaching necks/pylons/wings/whatnot.

Why not pack superior scientific abilities onboard a superior combatant when there is no known penalty other than, just possibly, at the construction phase? Obviously to be able to produce more ships - but is that really a factor? The science abilities have to go somewhere anyway. And anything differing from an 1:1 ratio sounds unsound: a science-heavy ship would just succumb to enemy fire.

with even the E-E being smaller and more specialised than her larger predecessor

Do we have any reason to think that the E-E was the successor of the E-D?

The latter ship has the same name as the former, and the same skipper, but few of the characteristics. Galaxies have not gone anywhere, and the replacement of the E-D may well have been of Galaxy class. Picard just got downgraded to a less capable ship after thrashing the Federation Flagship!

Timo Saloniemi
 
Yet it doesn't seem as if there should be much difference between peacetime and wartime in Star Trek. Nothing about the Dominion War indicates the UFP would be cut off from key or bulk resources, or that shipbuilding would go up or down. Conversely, Starfleet is clearly already starved of resources in peacetime, as it has too few ships to deal with border incursions, colonial calamities or key scientific observations, forcing our heroes to respond solo, after the nick of time.



There doesn't seem to be much support for the idea that Dominion capital ships would be better than Galaxies, despite supposedly representing absolute concentration on combat capabilities. The Tamarians outgun our heroes, but that is probably with a ship as "diverse" as the E-D, as the Tamarians aren't portrayed as monomaniacal warriors; it just goes to show that "ace of all trades" is a good approach by galactic standards. The Prometheus takes on a Nebula one on one, but doesn't manage a clean kill, despite the Romulans having a motivation for one, so it's at best an indication of parity with Galaxy-category ships. And a city ship really shouldn't be included in this discussion...



Yet our heroes often only barely survive their combat engagements. Building six weak ships in place of one strong vessel would mean wasting all the resources, as none of those other ships would be useful. Except in noncombat applications, perhaps, but those weren't part of the original argument.



We see no onscreen disadvantage from "dead" weight, "excess" onboard personnel, maneuverability, or shield characteristics. No vessel in Starfleet is more agile than the E-D, in terms of turn rate or the like. We have little idea of relative linear acceleration, but that only means there's no support for the idea of the E-D being sluggish, either. The hit rate of Trek weaponry is 100% anyway, and justly so, because there's no reason competent future fire control systems should allow for a miss; there's no indication that maneuvering would reduce the enemy's frequency of achieving those 100% hits, either. And "volume to shield ratio" is unlikely to be a concern, as many warrior species build their ships with excessively reaching necks/pylons/wings/whatnot.

Why not pack superior scientific abilities onboard a superior combatant when there is no known penalty other than, just possibly, at the construction phase? Obviously to be able to produce more ships - but is that really a factor? The science abilities have to go somewhere anyway. And anything differing from an 1:1 ratio sounds unsound: a science-heavy ship would just succumb to enemy fire.



Do we have any reason to think that the E-E was the successor of the E-D?

The latter ship has the same name as the former, and the same skipper, but few of the characteristics. Galaxies have not gone anywhere, and the replacement of the E-D may well have been of Galaxy class. Picard just got downgraded to a less capable ship after thrashing the Federation Flagship!

Timo Saloniemi

The design (despite the Sovereign also having t the capability planned in off camera) put Picard at a disadvantage in first contact....saucer separation would have been useful with the Borg in engineering.
 
The design (despite the Sovereign also having t the capability planned in off camera) put Picard at a disadvantage in first contact....saucer separation would have been useful with the Borg in engineering.

Data had locked out the computer, just beating the Borg to it. There was no time for them to separate the saucer.
 
Data had locked out the computer, just beating the Borg to it. There was no time for them to separate the saucer.

Interesting explanation. Given how Kanye systems were still working, and Rikers manual docking back in farpoint, I think they still could have.
 
Interesting explanation. Given how Kanye systems were still working, and Rikers manual docking back in farpoint, I think they still could have.
Kanye systems aren't much practical use. They just interrupt to note that Beyoncé had a better video that Vic Fontaine ever managed.
 
Kanye systems aren't much practical use. They just interrupt to note that Beyoncé had a better video that Vic Fontaine ever managed.

Bloody spellcheck. I don't even talk about those muppets (spellcheck as muskets) that pass for celebrity these days.
XD
 
I don't think Sovereign replaced Galaxy in the sense that the SF stopped producing the latter. Both are multipurpose vessels but do have different focus. I think both will have their uses.
 
I don't think Sovereign replaced Galaxy in the sense that the SF stopped producing the latter. Both are multipurpose vessels but do have different focus. I think both will have their uses.
I felt the Sovereign was complementary, not a replacement for the Galaxy. The Galaxy class had been in service for less than a decade when the Enterprise-E launched, it would be an organisation in disarray to replace them within a few years.

Given Picard never actually did much exploring on the Enterprise, I imagine Starfleet assigned him to a ship more fitting his talents - namely flying around the perimeter of the Federation dealing with various crises, and being the go-to guy for any admiral in a fix. The closest we get to seeing the Enterprise-E in normal duty - Insurrection - bears this out. He's got a fast, lean, troubleshooting ship to match.
 
The Sovereign class did seem to be a diplomatic fast cruiser, getting to troubled spots to show the flag, make some friends and if all else fails, shoot something and get home quickly.

Without wasting the 8 times greater resources of a Galaxy class ship.
 
Given the missions that Picard usually handles (plus his discomfort around kids), it's actually a good point that the Enterprise-E seems better suited for him specifically.

Of course, we don't actually know of Starfleet's design goals and intended use for the Galaxy (at least not canonically). The primary mission is to "explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations" from the opening preamble, but that's the same for both the Constitution and Galaxy-class Enterprises. The Galaxy seems suited for long-term exploration, even if various events gradually brought the Enterprise-D closer and closer to home doing milk runs and such. Of course, "Chain of Command" indicates that the Enterprise's power systems can be optimized for battle (meaning that it usually isn't).

I don't know if the loss of three Galaxy-class starships in 8 years means anything for Starfleet. Considering that Starfleet seems to operate several thousand starships at a time, it might be an unsurprising (if unwanted) operational loss. Given that the Galaxy-class starships seem to be pathfinder/deep-space exploration vessels, they're going to face a disproportionate number of unknown threats than other starships that operate within known space. Two of the three ships lost were against such unknown threats (Yamato to an Iconian computer virus, Odyssey to Jem'Hadar vessels with unknown weapons that passed through shields). Only the Enterprise-D, ironically enough, was a preventable loss (probably should have checked LaForge more closely, Dr. Crusher).

It should be noted that even in DS9's "Valiant" (taking place in 2374, about 11 years after the Enterprise-D's launch), Jake's apparent Federation gold standard for comparison to emphasize the fearsomeness the brand-new Dominion battleship is a Galaxy-class starship ("twice the size of a Galaxy-class starship and three times as strong!"). It's not a definitive "an up-to-date retrofitted Galaxy is Starfleet's most powerful starship" or anything like that, but it does suggest that the Galaxy-class is still one of Starfleet's top dogs even after more than a decade in use.
 
Yet our heroes often only barely survive their combat engagements. Building six weak ships in place of one strong vessel would mean wasting all the resources, as none of those other ships would be useful. Except in noncombat applications, perhaps, but those weren't part of the original argument.

True, but often in situations that represent an unlikely, unforeseen set of circumstances, which in the vast majority of instances would not have occurred. The series is written as entertainment and as such requires drama. For most ships, most of the time routine missions would in fact be exactly that and not require a battleship or the equivalent.

Conversely, Starfleet is clearly already starved of resources in peacetime, as it has too few ships to deal with border incursions, colonial calamities or key scientific observations, forcing our heroes to respond solo, after the nick of time.

Exactly, so the best approach might have been to increase the number of available hulls. Assuming that heavy firepower on a large ship is an expensive investment why have that investment deployed well away from potentially contentious areas on a purely scientific mission which more often than not would require little more than a Runabout or at most an Oberth.

We see no onscreen disadvantage from "dead" weight, "excess" onboard personnel, maneuverability, or shield characteristics. No vessel in Starfleet is more agile than the E-D, in terms of turn rate or the like. We have little idea of relative linear acceleration, but that only means there's no support for the idea of the E-D being sluggish, either.

Well, yes we do, the Defiant, the Intrepid, the Miranda, the Sovereign are all visibly portrayed as being much more maneuverable. It's hard to quantify just how much of a disadvantage that bulk incurs of course for the simple reason we have no idea how another ship would have fared in those circumstances. If only we had software that could run "what if" scenarios, pitting various ships against the same aggressor and playing a variety of tactical opt.....oh yes, star trek online, ahem.

Why not pack superior scientific abilities onboard a superior combatant when there is no known penalty other than, just possibly, at the construction phase? Obviously to be able to produce more ships - but is that really a factor? The science abilities have to go somewhere anyway. And anything differing from an 1:1 ratio sounds unsound: a science-heavy ship would just succumb to enemy fire.

Granted that the scientific equipment represents an unknown in terms of space and power usage, in fact it may well carry tactical advantages in terms of sensor counter measures, fire control, increased shield penetration due to enhanced analytical capabilities, etc.

However, probes require storage facilities, as do non combatant shuttles. Making best use of those facilities requires living facilities for whole teams of mission specialists, along with onboard scientific teams, lab technicians, and technical experts. All of which bulks up the vessel and shifts design attention away from tactical concerns. This becomes less of an issue if those facilities are on board a vessel which is never intended to see combat and thus requiring little beyond basic armaments. You might arm a scientific vessel irl to prevent falling easy prey to pirates, but you wouldn't equip her with ICBMs. Likewise a warship will have sufficient sonar and EWAC to deal with stealthed threats, but is unlikely to carry a radio telescope rated for astrophysics (although yes I am aware that some naval vessels do in fact carry some pretty advanced microwave and radio detection equipment - the point still stands that they would not be as extensively equipped as a dedicated ground based facility and the equipment they have would largely be primarily tactical in application)

That scientific equipment has to go somewhere, so why not on a science ship? All SF ships are multi mission granted, but typically to help solve the problems of limited numbers, with the "only ship in the quadrant" so to speak taking up the slack until something more appropriate takes over. Trying to shoehorn multiple specialist ships into one hull may not in fact solve that problem at all, effectively tying specialist resources up on inappropriate missions for which they were not intended but some other part of the ship was.

Also the issue is not just scientific equipment. The Galaxy is designed as capable of carrying large number of colonists, requiring mass living spaces and storage facilities, along with clearly being designed for comfort unseen in any other starship design.

As for volume to shield ratio, granted there are unknowns in terms of the technology involved but as a point of basic principle, assuming some spheroid surface to a shield then a given amount of energy emitted over a smaller surface area surely would indicate a greater field intensity, hence greater protection, else a shuttlecrafts shield emitters and power supply would serve equally well for a starship. By that logic given the same power supply and emitters in each case the smaller the vessel the greater the degree of protection afforded.

It's not hard to see the advantages of splitting tactical tonnage between multiple vessels, greater flexibility, the ability to police/patrol multiple arenas, to respond to multiple threats simultaneously without being hamstrung by diversionary tactics and as you point out yourself the fact that multiple ship engagements seem to favour the more numerous party.
 
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Given 1000+ crewpeople and the resources to build a Galaxy-class, I believe my preference would have been to build a task group of smaller ships to travel together. That would allow for some specialization in the ships, which would be helpful for in-system operations, and the redundancy might allow for immediate rescue if one ship gets caught in some anomaly or whatever - provided they don't all get stuck together. And there would be no need to take time for saucer separation - you could just quarter civilians and crewpeople that brought families on one ship out of the group, and send it off or keep it in the middle if the fit hits the shan.

But also, I've seen what usually happens when several small ships/wolves/raptors/mechs/etc set upon larger prey of approximately the same mass as their group - unless there's some other mitigating circumstance, the larger one is much more screwed than they would be facing a single enemy of the same size, because they have to divide their attention, shields are less flexible because they have to be strong in multiple directions at once, etc.
 
Given the Galaxy class could run around Cardassian cruisers, do 180 turns on a dime backwards and flip sideways on cue, doing moves that make the Enterprise E look slower in comparison, I wouldn't knock her ability to outrun anything.
 
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