One thing I especially hate in "In Theory" ...
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I'm sure there were happy women back then, but we can't paint an entire society with anecdotes. And if the 50s were such an idyllic and happy time, what were the various civil rights movements and second wave feminists, a bunch of lunatics complaining about nothing?
Exactly. Of course, not all women had it like Revolutionary Road. I'm pretty sure that for some, that life was just fine. The problem was for those who wanted more. They were simply stuck in the role that society had imposed on them.
By the way, great movie.
That it's not black or white. It wasn't the best or the worst and had a lot of complex factors we look back upon now and treat with scorn while ignoring the social pressures.
I'm not trying to paint (and I don't think I ever did) the entire 50s in the US as a hellish circle. I'm very sure that there were people who were very happy with the way society was.
But I think that most of them happened to be male, white, straight and wealthy.
Sorry, saying the protesters were lunatics seemed to indicate the experience was a hell. If I misread i apologize.
But, there are people unhappy with society today too. Others who consider it the worst time to be alive.
I think often of the Doctor Who episode "The wire" or something like that. It's not a good episode but it is set post World War 2 and one character is a dad struggling post War and his son hates him. The Doctor observes that the world has changed and now his dad had no place.
And I find that something to reflect upon as people try to find their place. And the 50s might be a less than ideal time but some do like the clearly defined roles.
Others do not. Unfortunately the tropes persist.
So, I have to cowtow? I have been called a troll left and right here. In other threads. No one did anything. I have been sworn at for no good reason. I am going to have to go to someone higher up. And report those that called me one too and report them. I can easily provide those examples. I am sure you won't report those yourselves. Good day
ETA: I find the movie 'Revolutionary Road' more about a couple on the rocks and falling out of love. Not about 50's housewives in particular.
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So, I have to cowtow? I have been called a troll left and right here. In other threads. No one did anything. I have been sworn at for no good reason. I am going to have to go to someone higher up. And report those that called me one too and report them. I can easily provide those examples. I am sure you won't report those yourselves. Good day
there are definitely a lot of double standards on here, you unfortunately just need to roll with it, and learn who not to engage with, and let things roll off you when it does. just comes with the territory (on the internet in general.)
Thats fine and good advice and yet I have been on the net for decades but the constant battering ram I have been experiencing on here lately has been a lot as it has been hard to catch a breath. Including those other threads. It seems more and more lately, and a lot is for no good reason.
Actually, probably traditionalists. And that's ok. But that does not mean all women liked that decade. Amazingly enough there were 50s women (mothers) that jumped at the chance at the 60's revolution. So not everyone liked the 50s. Fine with traditionalists as long as they are not forcing their politics on others. Whatever makes people happy that does not interfere with my life and the lives of others is ok. But there are not a whole lot of those.
My most recent self-diagnostic revealed no malfunctions. Perhaps there is something wrong with you.
There was nothing wrong with Data. He simply wasn't created to be capable of romantic love. You don't get upset that you can't use your toaster to make coffee or fry eggs.
But we see Data have relationship with the crew. Maybe not romantic but more capable on some level.
Regardless, the episode always struck me as extremely odd, regardless of the tropes. It was played for laughs and, well, I'm not laughing.
Regardless, the episode always struck me as extremely odd, regardless of the tropes. It was played for laughs and, well, I'm not laughing.
Cringing violently, maybe.
I still think he was capable, it just had to develop naturally. He had an honest affection for tasha, and severely missed her presence. If he had someone truly devoted to him, that really put in the time and effort to understand him and be a part of his life, something quite similar to romantic affection may have developed. His reactions may have still been mechanical and based on expectations, but his attachment would have been real.
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Meh, possibly. Trek and romance are mixed. But, and as much as I am not a fan of Data, I think that "The Measure of a Man" and "Skin of Evil" demonstrate that he is capable of relationships. I think that "In Theory" just tries to reduce it down to the idea of programming while ignoring what Data has done in the past.
After Season 2/3 it seems like they went far away from the original premise for Data, which honestly implied that he had low level emotions the entire time. Pulaski had to call him out for his self doubt and pouting, they showed that he felt loss and sorrow with Tasha's absense, and he felt anger and defiance when he was kidnapped. He enjoyed playing games, as his gusto in Elementary, Dear Data clearly showed, he felt disappointment and confusion when Geordi was going to quit early. He felt satisfaction with his art and music, and a yearning to be more. There are a lot of humans that have similar issues with learning and showing emotions; I honestly think that, no matter how much he tried to convince himself otherwise, he had emotions the entire time. He could show emotions when "trying", ie, playing a character, attempting comedy, etc; If he had really wanted to, he could have refined a "show emotions" sub routine, knowing when and where to display it; I don't think that would really be "fake" as there are definitely people that have to do something similar to get by or fit in.
I sincerely believe that with a partner who knew what to expect from him, Data could have an functioning relationship. Jenna was not that person.
Also, from what we saw of his interactions with Lal and Timothy, he could be a good parent to either an android child or a humanoid one.
Also, from what we saw of his interactions with Lal and Timothy, he could be a good parent to either an android child or a humanoid one.
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