I was just wondering why the 29th Century Federation didn't intervene with what happened with the Narada going back in time and creating a whole new timeline. The USS Relativity was established as a time ship whose purpose was "to protect the timeline against temporal incursions." I'm pretty sure Nero going back and blowing up a planet and possibly Earth counts as a temporal incursion. I'm not taking this too seriously but it's just a thought that occurred to me one day on my couch.
No Interference From The Future?
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Maybe they realized that they fuck things up more than they fix them, so they decided to stop. I mean, in both Voyager episodes they were featured in, it was their fault that the mistakes happened in the first place.
Nero's interference left their timeline intact and that's all they really care about. Nero's action created a parallel umiverse and didn't threaten the so-called Time Cops timeline whatsiever.
Time police don't make much sense. Enterprise's Daniels wasn't from Archer's (our Archer's) timeline - his history included the colony from "Shockwave", no Xindi attack in 2152 and the Delphic Expanse still existing in the 26th century. The Temporal Cold War's interference created the TOS/TNG/etc. timeline in much the same way Nero and Spock's interference created the STXI alternate.
So, do "time cops" operate across various timelines, trying to get them all going in the "right" direction, or...?
So, do "time cops" operate across various timelines, trying to get them all going in the "right" direction, or...?
Those of us who actually paid attention during Future's End or Relativity know that the 29th century timecops only get involved with temporal incidents which someone/thing else from the 29th century was involved in. They were involved in Furutre's End because Henry Starling used a 29th century timeship to destroy Earth, and the were invovled in Relativity because crazy older Captain Braxton destroyed Voyager. Since Nero and Spock were from the 24th century altering the 23rd, there's nothing for the 29th century timecops to do here.
The question you should be asking is why Mr Daniels and his people from Enterprise didn't get involved. After all, they do get involved with temporal matters at any point in the timeline, not just their native century. Daniels himself is from the 31st century, and travelled to the 22nd century to deal with Suliban taking orders from a guy in the 28th century. Then he sent Archer to the 21st century to deal with Xindi from the 22nd century, and then he sent the entrie NX-01 crew to the 20th century to deal with aliens from the 29th century. Maybe he was on vacation and didn't notice the 23rd century changed?
The question you should be asking is why Mr Daniels and his people from Enterprise didn't get involved. After all, they do get involved with temporal matters at any point in the timeline, not just their native century. Daniels himself is from the 31st century, and travelled to the 22nd century to deal with Suliban taking orders from a guy in the 28th century. Then he sent Archer to the 21st century to deal with Xindi from the 22nd century, and then he sent the entrie NX-01 crew to the 20th century to deal with aliens from the 29th century. Maybe he was on vacation and didn't notice the 23rd century changed?
It's simple, in this Universe this temporal incursion was supposed to happen, it's a part of its history, always meant to be.
Any attempts to stop or change this event would then be cause for the DTI to activate against anyone attempting to change history.
This is, imo, the difference between TT within single time-lines and separate universes. The former would be viewed as changing history while the latter is viewed as predestined.
If this were not the case then the DTI would have been all over the changes made within the Mirror Universe starting with Kirk encouraging bearded Spock to steer history towards a Federation over barbarian style rule.
Any attempts to stop or change this event would then be cause for the DTI to activate against anyone attempting to change history.
This is, imo, the difference between TT within single time-lines and separate universes. The former would be viewed as changing history while the latter is viewed as predestined.
If this were not the case then the DTI would have been all over the changes made within the Mirror Universe starting with Kirk encouraging bearded Spock to steer history towards a Federation over barbarian style rule.
Nero didn't change the existing timeline at all, he just created a new parallel one. Plus, in the Abram's verse 29th century, the abrams time cops recognize this timeline as its own separate entity and wouldn't let the prime universe time cops interfere with it.
In "Relativity" we learn that Braxton repaired a "temporal inversion" in the Takara Sector, in an incident involving Voyager - a reference to the episode "Before and After", where Chakotay and Harry sent a message back stopping Voyager from crashing in the Takara system. Harry and Kim changed history just like Nero and Spock did - Voyager crashing in the Takara sector was the original and proper course of events, but Harry and Chakotay were allowed to change history just as Nero and Spock were.
According to "Relativity", Braxton was there during "Before amd After" and repaired a "temporal inversion" (whatever that is), but we never saw it. Maybe the time police were working unseen in the background of STXI as well? STXI certainly isn't the first time-travel they seemingly haven't involved themselves in.
It's also possible that time police tried to stop Nero at some point between 2233-2258, and failed. They were quite useless.
According to "Relativity", Braxton was there during "Before amd After" and repaired a "temporal inversion" (whatever that is), but we never saw it. Maybe the time police were working unseen in the background of STXI as well? STXI certainly isn't the first time-travel they seemingly haven't involved themselves in.
It's also possible that time police tried to stop Nero at some point between 2233-2258, and failed. They were quite useless.
Hell when Voyager first ran into Braxton they kicked his ship's ass despite it having 500 years of tech advancements on them.
First of all the episode you titled Before and After is in fact titled Timeless. Before and After was a third season episode about Kes living her life in reverse to to a botched attempt to extend her life when she was on her deathbed. And one could argue that since the Doctor's 29th century mobile emitter was involved, that allowed them to be aware of that event and possibly every temporal incident Voyager was involved in after Future's End. Yeah, it's flimsy and weak, but it's the best I got. Since nothing from the 29th century was involved in Trek XI, there's no reason for them to be involved.
Meanwhile Mr Daniels and his gang seemed to not only involved themselves in any temporal incident, but also in any timeline. After all, if we consider Enterprise to be part of the prime timeline, than all the things Archer got involved in that Daniels claims there was no historical record of (the events of Shockwave, the whole Xindi affair) would seem to indicate the timeline Daniels was from was not the prime timeline. Of course, since he allowed things to develop perfectly fine for Archer, I guess it stands to reason that he'd allow the Abrams timeline to develop.
Daniels didn't "allow" anything. He was constantly whining to Archer that history had gone "wrong" and begging him to try to help fix it. He was kicking and screaming every step of the way.The Wormhole said:
The Voyager and Enterprise writers envisioned a single mallable timeline, where the same history is rewritten time and again. The STXI writers envision a multiverse where every change (or rather, every possibility) creates it's own branching timeline. Thus trying to reconcile the time police written for a single reality for a vast multiverse isn't gonna be a perfect fit - if every change creates a new seperate timeline, why bother fixing anything if your fixes will only split reality again into "the universe as it was" and "the universe, fixed"?
And yes, I meant "Timeless". Sorry.
Or Daniels was not aware of the changes, as they happened in a different branch of the Multiverse.
Perhaps the upcoming 'Department of Temporal Investigations' novel - yes, there is one - might help explain all this?
Or maybe the events of the movie have nothing to do with the Temporal Cold War, and are thus part of the natural evolution of the Universe?
According to The Needs of the Many, the DTI don't have a clue what they're doing (although Christopher said his DTI novel is ignoring the DTI chapter in Needs)
Considering the infinite space-faring aliens in the Star Trek universe and the massive number of ways to travel in time (OTOH: slingshot, guardian, wormhole, black hole, transporter, big Krenim gun, random alien machinery), there's no chance that a police force could keep galactic history from being altered. That the Guardian of Forever exists proves that it's already been altered starting "before [our] sun burned hot"
Time police are the ultimate in futility. It's like antivirus and firewalls for a PC - if someone who knows what they're doing wants in, you and your $30 software can't stop them.
My understanding of the DTI novel:
So I doubt it'll be dealing with Trek XI creating a new timeline.
It's about Dulmur and Luscly getting involved in the Temporal Cold War.
I guess that means my $0 software isn't going to help either.
