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NFL Football - 2008-09 Season Discussion

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And to make matters worse, due to the f*@#$ flex schedule, there are reports out that they'll be moving the Jets/Phins game to the 4:15pm ET slot. What sort of impliciations does this have for the Pats? Well, if they choose not to move the Patriots/Bills game to the same time slot, the Jets, based on whether the Patriots win against the Bills, might decide to not show up just to stick it to their long time rival. Wouldn't hold it past Mangina. (On a sidenote, I never thought I'd see the day where I'd be rooting for the Jets. I feel so dirty inside)

I just looked at the playoff scenarios for the Jets. Even if New England wins on Sunday, the Jets would still win a wildcard spot if they beat Miami and Baltimore loses against Jacksonville. So, regardless of what happens with NE, the Jets will still have something to fight for, because the Balt/Jax game also starts at 4:15, same time as Miami/NYJ.

Though I suppose, if it's late in the 4th quarter, and Baltimore is leading Jacksonville by something like 30 points, then it would be hopeless for the Jets, and they could decide to fold against Miami, to stick it to the Patriots, as you suggest.
 
That was some pathetic fucking football on the Bears' part until the fourth quarter, but I'm glad they won. Certainly makes next week interesting.

I will be very annoyed if the Giants spread their legs wide for the Vikings and don't show up on Sunday.

They're going to make Minnesota work for it so they don't get rusty when they have that bye week.
 
I just looked at the playoff scenarios for the Jets. Even if New England wins on Sunday, the Jets would still win a wildcard spot if they beat Miami and Baltimore loses against Jacksonville. So, regardless of what happens with NE, the Jets will still have something to fight for, because the Balt/Jax game also starts at 4:15, same time as Miami/NYJ.

Though I suppose, if it's late in the 4th quarter, and Baltimore is leading Jacksonville by something like 30 points, then it would be hopeless for the Jets, and they could decide to fold against Miami, to stick it to the Patriots, as you suggest.

Indeed, realized that a day after I posted that, thanks for the correction. Though I must say, the chances of Baltimore losing to Jacksonville are quite remote from what I've seen of Jacksonville these past few weeks. Though the notion of "Any Given Sunday" does give me a glimmer of hope, since if Baltimore loses, NE can get the wildcard spot if Miama wins. And if the Jets win with Baltimore losing, NE wins the division and play the Jets in the playoffs, which would be nice as well in terms of divisional rivalry. :)

On another note, my hats off to the Bears and the Packers, great game.

Cheers.

-Jamman
 
Yes, easy to say when your team's not even going to sniff the playoffs.

Was that really necessarry? I made it clear this isn't a "rival" fan speaking. I as a fan try and be objective with any team, even the Titans, our biggest "rival".

Of all these things, running the ball is the biggest concern; hopefully getting Addai healthy rectifies that. And our run defense isn't nearly as bad as it was during the '06 season. Far from it. Doesn't help that our defensive captain, Gary Brackett, along with Bob Sanders, have both been injured as of late.

Last year I heard alot of talk about how the Colts suffered from an immense amount of injuries, yet were so good that they went 13-3, won their division, and had a first round bye. You have injuries now and it is what it is. The Jags were decimated by injuries this year, but I won't complain. Good teams pull together to overcome them. If the Colts can overcome them on defense now, how will they do it in the playoffs? Can they pull a "2006" again?

As for running the ball, you're right; it's all on Addai, i.e. whether he can stay healthy or not for the playoffs.



Believe it or not, your defense has regressed somewhat in terms of yardage thesep ast couple of games. They allowed more than 300 yards to Detroit, and 400 yards to the Jaguars. As I said, any balanced offense with a competent QB are licking their lips right now at the Colts defense. Peyton can't overcome deficits every week. He couldn't do it in 2003 when he only needed to score more than 24 points, in 2004 when he only needed to score more than 20 points, in 2005...well I won't bring up 2005, because that was a certain kicker's fault.


Always an argument I love to hear. Especially since, you know, it isn't 2003 anymore.

:rolleyes:

Actually it is. 2004, 2007. Both years where Peyton and the offense had an immense amount of talent yet couldn't get it done. And in 2007, Peyton had one of the best defenses he'd ever had lining up to assist him and the team still couldn't get it done.

If a "fluke" is a team that's always competitive and makes the playoffs year-in and year-out, I'll take it. You savagely underrate just how hard it is to win the Super Bowl. If there's a fluke, it is the Patriots, who dilluded everyone into thinking that dynasties are a common occurence. Look at all the great players that come through the NFL, and couple that with the fact that we're lucky to see one dynasty per decade.

It's hard to be consistently good in the regular season, let alone the postseason; a Jags fan should know that better than, well... anyone.

I meant "fluke" in that 2006 has been the only time to date when one of the most legendary offenses to take the field and its HOF coach actually lived up to what is fairly expected of them and went all the way.

I'm not underrating how hard it is to win a Super Bowl. But 2006 is the exception to the rule for the Colts. The "rule" is that they make the postseason year after year but do not get the Lombardi. The exception was and remains 2006. Like I said, the Colts can prove me wrong, and I'll applaud them if they do. ;)
Apologies if I came across as a little annoyed.

I simply have a low opinion of Jags fans, SamusAranX -- though you, however, having provided some intelligent commentary, seem to be an exception to most Jags fans. Anyway, I feel like the Jags would've experienced more success these last few years if they had spent more time trying to be the Colts... as compared to simply being jealous of the Colts, which is the mentality I've always sensed from both the team and the fans.

This is why petty remarks about Manning's perceived inadequacies in the clutch, especially those remarks that are made by Jags fans, have always rubbed me the wrong way.

Like it or not, Manning answered those questions for good during the 2006 playoffs. He came through in the clutch. Questions concerned with whether he can or can not were rendered irrelevant. The proof is right in front of you. And it's not even a question if he can do it consistently; his track record late in games speaks for itself: 31 4th quarter comebacks, the latest coming against your team. (If there's been one failing in the playoffs for the Colts, it's the defense... which is why we won the Super Bowl in 2006, when the defense finally stepped up.) But to unearth old arguments like the aforementioned at this late date is a pointless exercise. And when those arguments are unearthed by a Jags fan, such as yourself, it seems only to confirm all those things I tend to associate with your fanbase -- the veiled jealousy, among other things.

Hey, perhaps this wasn't your goal. Perhaps it wasn't the classic Jag fan "veiled jealousy" speaking, but a genuine and un-biased concern about Manning in the clutch. In either case, it's a moot point. Manning's track record in the latter half of his career, along with the Super Bowl XLI Lombardi Trophy and game MVP, speak for themselves. Can't help it if some people choose not to listen.

At any rate, feel free to concern yourself with whether 2006 was a "fluke" or if the Colts will ever get it done again. As a Colts fan, we don't worry about those things; not anymore. We got over the hill. We reached the promised land. We are at peace. We still care, even if it's not quite as "life or death" as it used to be. And, believe me, that's a good thing.

Look, I can never wish the Jags luck... but I at least wish you well. Having the peace of a team that got it done is something you can't even begin to imagine until you have it. Hey, maybe the Jags will get there some day; I don't believe they will, at least not at present, but who knows.

Anyway, like I said, feel free to concern yourself with questions about the Colts' legacy. Though it's always slightly irksome to hear the fans of other teams presume to do so, Colts fans are, by and large, at peace with the team; every NFL fan should be so lucky to be at peace with their own.

Anyway, hopefully you can understand where I'm coming from, SamusAranX. Have a good one. :techman:
 
Apologies if I came across as a little annoyed

No problem.

I simply have a low opinion of Jags fans, SamusAranX -- though you, however, having provided some intelligent commentary, seem to be an exception to most Jags fans. Anyway, I feel like the Jags would've experienced more success these last few years if they had spent more time trying to be the Colts... as compared to simply being jealous of the Colts, which is the mentality I've always sensed from both the team and the fans.

Hmmm...point taken. I'll admit, as a fan, I will always have that little biased voice in my head speaking ill and showing envy of "rival" teams. I try and ignore it though. ;)

This is why petty remarks about Manning's perceived inadequacies in the clutch, especially those remarks that are made by Jags fans, have always rubbed me the wrong way.

For me, it is not neccessarily perception of inadequacies. For me, it is a curious question as to why. Believe it or not, I was stunned to see year after year the Colts fall short. I really wondered why it seemed to plague them so much. And after 2006, I really thought they were going to repeat in 2007...well, we both know how that one ended up. So really it was this strange confusion as to what was the constant. And it wasn't just the defense to me. Let's be frank here; holding Tom Brady's offense to 20 points is every defensive coordinator's dream.

And trust me, I know how playoff failure despite such promising hope for a ring feels. See the 99' Jags.

Like it or not, Manning answered those questions for good during the 2006 playoffs. He came through in the clutch. Questions concerned with whether he can or can not were rendered irrelevant. The proof is right in front of you. And it's not even a question if he can do it consistently; his track record late in games speaks for itself: 31 4th quarter comebacks, the latest coming against your team. (If there's been one failing in the playoffs for the Colts, it's the defense... which is why we won the Super Bowl in 2006, when the defense finally stepped up.) But to unearth old arguments like the aforementioned at this late date is a pointless exercise. And when those arguments are unearthed by a Jags fan, such as yourself, it seems only to confirm all those things I tend to associate with your fanbase -- the veiled jealousy, among other things.

There is no denying Peyton helped will that team to Super Bowl glory. My intention was never to invalidate that run. I was merely offering the possibility that maybe that was to be "it" for thsi generation's Colts; that maybe that was their peak and they may not reach it again. Then again, they can still do it. We simply don't know.

And again, I'm not jealous, but I'm sure there are Jags fans out there who are. And Titans fans. And Texans fans. :p

Hey, perhaps this wasn't your goal. Perhaps it wasn't the classic Jag fan "veiled jealousy" speaking, but a genuine and un-biased concern about Manning in the clutch. In either case, it's a moot point. Manning's track record in the latter half of his career, along with the Super Bowl XLI Lombardi Trophy and game MVP, speak for themselves. Can't help it if some people choose not to listen.

It wasa genuine concern, as were the others I listed. It wasn't meant to question his abilities.

Maybe I've been spoiled by watching Brady doing what he has done, and having my dad regale me with tales of Montana's heroics. Perhaps from my perception I've been hard on Peyton. It is something I would have to consider.

At any rate, feel free to concern yourself with whether 2006 was a "fluke" or if the Colts will ever get it done again. As a Colts fan, we don't worry about those things; not anymore. We got over the hill. We reached the promised land. We are at peace. We still care, even if it's not quite as "life or death" as it used to be. And, believe me, that's a good thing.

It is a good thing. Then again, football isn't about life and death; it's more important than that. ;)

BTW, I apologize for using the word "fluke". I should have used a different term, as in the context we were posting in and in general "fluke' is taken to be derogatory. I didn't want to attach a negative association to it. I mean to say that so far 2006 wasn't the rule for the Colts is all.

Anyway, like I said, feel free to concern yourself with questions about the Colts' legacy. Though it's always slightly irksome to hear the fans of other teams presume to do so, Colts fans are, by and large, at peace with the team; every NFL fan should be so lucky to be at peace with their own.

Anyway, hopefully you can understand where I'm coming from, SamusAranX. Have a good one.

I never meant to question the Colt's legacy. I've acknowledged here and other places that what the Colts have done is something to be respected and acknowledged for what it is worth.

And believe me, I understand. That's part being objective, isn't it?
 
David Carr is with the NY Giants now? Wow, who knew? :lol:

THE BEARS' PLAYOFF HOPES REST UPON THE SHOULDERS OF DAVID CARR?

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Hell, you've been counting on Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman, Kordell Stewart, Craig Krenzel, Brian Griese, Chad Hutchinson, Shane Matthews, Henry Burris, and Jonathon Quinn the last decade or so. If Carr inspires one to shoot self, surely self would have already been dead from having committed suicide from the Bears' own QBs this decade (along with Bears QBs in the last 30 years or so for the most part).
 
David Carr is with the NY Giants now? Wow, who knew? :lol:

THE BEARS' PLAYOFF HOPES REST UPON THE SHOULDERS OF DAVID CARR?

emot-suicide.gif


Hell, you've been counting on Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman, Kordell Stewart, Craig Krenzel, Brian Griese, Chad Hutchinson, Shane Matthews, Henry Burris, and Jonathon Quinn the last decade or so. If Carr inspires one to shoot self, surely self would have already been dead from having committed suicide from the Bears' own QBs this decade (along with Bears QBs in the last 30 years or so for the most part).

Kyle Orton is my God and Matt Forte the bringer of His message.
 
I don't have access to the Bears game, but HONESTLY...WTF?

I thought the Giants would be resting their players and giving the Vikes an easy win, but they're giving the Vikes as much as they can handle so far. And instead it's the Bears laying a big turd of a game when they absolutely need to win...WTF is that? :wtf:

EDIT: I feel better now that the Vikes earned their division championship on that last-second FG.
 
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Well the time has finally arrived for me to say this, as much as it pains me, "Jets, Jets, Jets!!!". Go Jets! (or Jacksonville)

-Jamman
 
Yeah, the Giants rested a few players today and pulled others early. None the less, I'm surprised that the Vikings, with everything on the line, made it into a last second game. I was figuring that they'd win easily.
 
Dear Bears,

Like a father who just bailed his son out of jail after the boy drove drunk, plowed over a few nuns, punched a cop, cursed at a judge and shit the bed ... I'm not mad.

I'm very disappointed.

Because I know that hurts so much more.
 
The Texans are a team on the rise. If they handle the draft and free agency well they could easily be a 10 win team next year. Making our division that much more difficult.

I didn't see the game but understand some starters were pulled during the Giants game. So its nice to see the scoreboard and think it looked like a watchable game *coughTitanscough*.

I understand that we(Titans) were resting up but damn they could've shown up maybe a little bit to play. All I can say is better come out hard in two weeks Jeff.

I am rooting for the Eagles to win and the Cardinals and hope the Broncos can win somehow tonight.
 
You're correct. New England needs to win against Buffalo for either of the following scenarios to play out:
1. Baltimore loses against Jacksonville for New England to win the wildcard (unlikely as Jacksonville sucks)
2. Jets win against Miami for New England to win the division (unlikely because Mangini and Lord Farvquaad are sucking as of late)

...

Both the NFL overtime and playoff systems should be reconsidered IMHO.

-Jamman
First off, Pats fans need to quit whining about this. It's not like the rules were changed mid-season just to screw them over.

Second, after another 11-5 team missed the playoffs over 20 years ago, the owners could have changed it at any time over the last 20 years (especially a very influential owner in Bob Kraft). But it's not in their best interest to have all the very best teams make the playoffs. The goal is to win the Superbowl and if all the best teams make it, that road gets decidedly tougher. As a fan, I definitely would like to see the rules changed, maybe, say a division winner is only guaranteed a spot if they win 10 games or just an open seeding. But as an owner, if I want my team to win the Superbowl, would I rather have an 11-5 Pats team or an 8-8 division winner in San Diego in the playoffs? And that's why the rule isn't changed, and Bob Kraft knows that. They may bring it up for discussion, but it's unlikely that a division winner will be denied a playoff spot regardless of their record.
 
All the bears had to do was win. Just eek out a win against a mediocre team to get into the playoffs. Sucks.

Even though they would most likely have gotten killed in the first round, it would have been nice to see.
 
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