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NBA 2017 - 2018 Westworld

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After maybe the most spectacularly newsworthy off seasons in any of the major sports ever, the NBA regular season is back.

There's little intrigue in the east. If everyone stays healthy (well, as healthy as they are now), and if Isaiah Thomas gets back to where he was most of the last 2 seasons, the Cavs will likely get to the Finals again. Not a lock, of course. LeBron spent a good part of the summer railing against Dan Gilbert (understandable, he's a snake), telling the people of Cle, he owes them nothing. It is possible that, if he is thinking of leaving Cle, he might check out early. If that happens, Boston or maybe Toronto could sneak in.

As for the west, unlike last season, I don't think the Dubs are a lock to even make the Finals. This has nothing to do with the way they've opened the season. Trying to make it to 4 straight Finals in the west is a daunting task. They will have to get by rejuvenated OKC and seemingly improved Houston. But both of the aforementioned are essentially new teams who are trying to integrate new players into their cores, so who knows how that will work out. I think it wiil be the Dubs againt the Rox in the Western Conf Finals. But also unlike last season, the NBA championship will be played in the west finals.

The well coached, young and loaded T-Wolves are an interesting dark horse -- very dark.

As for my Lakers, they started the season with a terrible performance against the Clips and got routed. Randy Beverley, who had been pumped up by a Twitter beef with Levar Ball, took it out on the kid, holding him to 3 total points in about 30 or more minutes.

Lonzo wll just have to play through this. He should talk to Kobe about playing with adversity. Anyway, Zo, who still had 9 rebounds and 4 assists against the Clips, came back with a 29 pt., 11 rebound, 9 assist game the next night against pathetic Phoenix. Almost became the youngest player to notch a triple double in NBA history. At only 19, that will likely come soon.

Lets jump it up.
 
Celtics seem pretty boned this season. No official word on timeline for Hayward's injury, seems either he's gone for the whole season or maybe, if lucky, they might get him back for playoffs. The season where we maybe had outside chance against the Cavs turns into rookie building season. Things still look good for NEXT season, but this season seems like we'll be riding the 500 wave.

Good news is, Brown and Tatum get more playing time now this season to develop their games and chemistry with Irving and Horford, and we still have all those tasty assets to make potential moves.

That being said, if Hayward does make it back for playoffs (Which I am not getting my hopes up for), and Celtics get in with 5th or 6th seed or something, a run is still not impossible.

I think I'm on Team OKC this season because I like Russell Westbrook and want the non-boring result of anyone but the Warriors winning.
 
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Don’t sleep on Portland out west. They’ve some holes, but they were a completely different team after Nurk’ arrived. I don’t think they’re good enough to beat GS/ OKC/Houston, but they’re better than people think.
 
^ Yes, former UCLA player who thrived playiing with Lonzo in the Bruins wide open offense. Hope he does well.
 
Last 4 games have made me more optimistic about this season without Hayward, but not against great teams. Just maybe East is so bad, even without Hayward we're still #2.

Tatum, rookie of the year seeming like? And I'm feeling really good about Jaylen Brown at the moment, even in games he doesn't score a lot of points he seems to lead the team in +/-. This season maybe we can't win the championship due to the injury but next season when we have Irving, Hayward, Horford, and an even better Brown and Tatum? I think 2018-2019 season is going to be great for Celtics.

Wonder what's going to happen with our 8.3 million exception.
 
A few games later, Celtics season is looking much better without Hayward. Defense was a weakness last season. Impressive comeback win against Thunder last night.
 
Lillard also had a great game against the Lakers in Portland this past Thursday. Porty won on his last second 3. Kid is ultra quick, competitive, athletic, and skilled. I'de love to see what he could do on a good team. The Blazers' organization had better scramble to put better players around him or maybe face a LeBron/KD situation.

Lakers played them to the wire in Portland which is unusual. I am beginning to love this group. They actually play defense.
 
^Yes, he did, as he completely outplayed Screech Powers. Lillard has said publicly that he wants to win a title in Portland, but the Blazers haven’t been able replace their core of a few years ago.

I hadn’t realized how awkward Ball’s shooting form is. I didn’t see much of him during his one year at UCLA and am astonished someone didn’t work with him to develop a more conventional release.
 
I hadn’t realized how awkward Ball’s shooting form is. I didn’t see much of him during his one year at UCLA and am astonished someone didn’t work with him to develop a more conventional release.
You don't fix something that isn't broken. Zo was a very good outside shooter at UCLA, better than most of the guys who were drafted in the top 10 for their shooting. Most people are unaware of this. He's never going to be a scorer like Lillard, that isn't his game. But even with his shooting problems, he's averaging something like 9 - 7 - 6 after only 8 games.

Give him this season and next and I think we will all see something really special.
 
10 wins in a row for the Celtics. How I hope for an end to the stranglehold Cleveland have held on the East.
 
At least the Lakers made a game out of it. They pulled within 3 toward the end but just couldn't get over the hump.

Ball made about 20% of his shots, but he'll get better.

Not the blowout I expected, but still a long way to go.
 
Of course that game was minus Horford and Tatum. Last year Irving was thought of as a defensive liability but it seems something has clicked with him to hold his own defensively. Must help being surrounded by Horford Smart Brown Tatum Baynes too. Being 5'9" was one of the reasons I loved Isaiah Thomas because I'm 5'9". But defensively, also kinda helps to not be 5'9".

I hope Cleveland does start playing better before the end of the regular season so they don't end up in the 4th or 5th seed or something and run into the Celtics BEFORE the conference finals.

After Hayward got injured I thought we'd be like a just above 500 team. Of course there's going to be regression toward the mean but #1 seed without Hayward is seeming a strong statistical possibility now.
 
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Lonzo gets the first triple double of his career tonight, 17 pts., 12 assists, 12 rebounds, in a close loss to Milwaukee on the road. He's flirted with a triple double a few times since the season started. At 20 years old, he also becomes one of the youngest to achieve the milestone in league history. Like any rook, he is a work in progress, but anyone who thinks he doesn't have one of the highest ceilings of any rookie in the league, isn't paying attention.

Edited to add: Zo also had 3 steals, and 3 blocked shots. Also, I misspoke, Lonzo IS the youngest player to record a triple double, beating out LeBron for the record.
 
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Lonzo gets the first triple double of his career tonight, 17 pts., 12 assists, 12 rebounds, in a close loss to Milwaukee on the road. He's flirted with a triple double a few times since the season started. At 20 years old, he also becomes one of the youngest to achieve the milestone in league history. Like any rook, he is a work in progress, but anyone who thinks he doesn't have one of the highest ceilings of any rookie in the league, isn't paying attention.

Edited to add: Zo also had 3 steals, and 3 blocked shots. Also, I misspoke, Lonzo IS the youngest player to record a triple double, beating out LeBron for the record.
Boy, I just screwed up Lonzo's stats last night. He actually had 19 points,
13 assists, 12 rebounds, 4 blocks, 3 steals. He was real close to a the nearly impossible, 5x5, meaning triple double plus at least 5 of the other two main offensive stat lines.

I'll bet that within 2 seasons, Zo will have a 5x5 and/or a quadruple double. :D
 
So, 15-2 now. Yeah, don't worry, most Boston fans are very realistic that this winning rate is a combination of weaker competition and statistical improbabilities, but win predictions have wandered up to the high 50s and 60 is now seeming not impossible. If they keep going down 16 points they are certainly going to lose a few eventually.

So, #1 seed seems extremely probable but it still seems they will probably not be the favorite against Cleveland even if they end up the 4 or 5 seed.

Real plus-minus on ESPN has Horford in the top ten of the league and analysts are saying he's more important for the team than Irving even with his more modest stats. If you look at Irving's plus/minus with and without Horford there's a gargantuan positive swing when he's on the floor.
 
So, 15-2 now. Yeah, don't worry, most Boston fans are very realistic that this winning rate is a combination of weaker competition and statistical improbabilities, but win predictions have wandered up to the high 50s and 60 is now seeming not impossible. If they keep going down 16 points they are certainly going to lose a few eventually.
Yeah, best not to allow expectations to get too far out of hand. It's only November. :devil:
 
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