Michael Giacchino music score for st 11
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I'm forced to agree with He of the Upturned Middle Finger, Neopeius. Have you got anything else to back up your assertions? Your post basically accused Giacchino of plagiarism ... and those of us with a creative bent have as little tolerance for those who spout such accusations without a good reason as those who actually do "appropriate" other people's work.
Well, you got the first one right, and the main phrase which makes up X-Men was repeated many times in The Incredibles.
No other source than my ears, Psion. I'm sorry I've ruffled your feathers so much, but as a "person with a creative bent", I don't "spout accusations". I call it like I hear it.
Anyway, I never accused anyone of plagiarism. But this is something beyond a nod.
Actually, I think you were right. Playing it back in my head, I have no idea why I said just those three notes (probably that da-de-dummm thing). Well, it made sense at the time.
But, upon further review, it is that entire part I was really referring to. If that opening is part of Giacchino's opening score, I'll go all goose-pimply and probably well up. The movie may suck, but I'll feel I got my $8 worth. And, I'll be sorely disappointed if it's not there, even if the movie is grand. It was sadly missing from the opening of TMP, but Horner did a pretty good job using it to open TWOK.
I'll admit that I haven't sat down with sheet music for each one side-by-side and done a harmonic and thematic analysis, so I could be overlooking some common element or other but, from giving each a couple of listens through, I'd have to say that I don't hear it at all. Thematically and stylistically, they sound distinctly different from one another, to my ear.
Well, you got the first one right, and the main phrase which makes up X-Men was repeated many times in The Incredibles.
No other source than my ears, Psion. I'm sorry I've ruffled your feathers so much, but as a "person with a creative bent", I don't "spout accusations". I call it like I hear it.
Anyway, I never accused anyone of plagiarism. But this is something beyond a nod.
ST-One
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Well, you got the first one right, and the main phrase which makes up X-Men was repeated many times in The Incredibles.
Maybe you could point it out to us all.
Well, you got the first one right, and the main phrase which makes up X-Men was repeated many times in The Incredibles.
Maybe you could point it out to us all.
Yep, that's all I'm asking for -- proof. We can save the discussion about where "appropriated" falls in the continuum between "nod" and "plagerised" for another day.
Yep, that's all I'm asking for -- proof. We can save the discussion about where "appropriated" falls in the continuum between "nod" and "plagerised" for another day.
If you're asking me to go through the movie and tell you the timestamp when that sting is used, I'm not going to. I don't own the DVD and I've got better things to do.
Next time you watch the movie, listen. It's not hard to pick up and people I've pointed it out to have noted it too.
ST-One
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Yep, that's all I'm asking for -- proof. We can save the discussion about where "appropriated" falls in the continuum between "nod" and "plagerised" for another day.
If you're asking me to go through the movie and tell you the timestamp when that sting is used, I'm not going to. I don't own the DVD and I've got better things to do.
Next time you watch the movie, listen. It's not hard to pick up and people I've pointed it out to have noted it too.
How do they say?
'Put up or shut up.'
Yep, that's all I'm asking for -- proof. We can save the discussion about where "appropriated" falls in the continuum between "nod" and "plagerised" for another day.
If you're asking me to go through the movie and tell you the timestamp when that sting is used, I'm not going to. I don't own the DVD and I've got better things to do.
Next time you watch the movie, listen. It's not hard to pick up and people I've pointed it out to have noted it too.
How do they say?
'Put up or shut up.'
Um. Whatever.
ST-One
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So we should prove your assertions?
I've resolved to shut up. I don't need to convince you.
I'm tempted to respond with some snarky "guess this means he didn't acquire anything then" remark, but I wouldn't want to come out sounding petty or anything. Heaven knows, I try hard not to be petty.
[pregnant pause]
Instead, I'll confess that this leaves me vaguely unsatisfied. Loathe as I am to shoulder my own burdens let alone those of another man, I might have to try to do this myself. I do have the Incredibles soundtrack laying around somewhere, I think. Or I should, at least. I'll give it a listen and then replay the X-Men titles ST-One provided.
Of course, I'm not sure if Neopeius will find it satisfactory if I come back and declare I heard no significant similarities. I'm not gonna post a link to the whole Incredibles soundtrack to prove a point. Even worse, I have so little formal training in music, that I probably have a negative rating in the subject ... so I won't recognize key or register differences or the like.
This is all going to end in tears, I just know it.
I love Michael Giacchino's work on the The Incredibles, and I'm sure he's going to do the 2009 film justice...
I think the TMP/TNG theme has been used to death in TNG and the TNG films; I would think Giacchino would use the 'original' fanfare and theme with some of his own work.
I think the TMP/TNG theme has been used to death in TNG and the TNG films; I would think Giacchino would use the 'original' fanfare and theme with some of his own work.
*laughs* My opinion of you has gone up several orders of magnitude. Satisfy your curiosity if you like, or don't. I'd be interested in what your insights are.
I'm a musician, and I have perfect pitch. I catch this sort of thing all the time. That said, I'm hardly infallible.
As displayed in your X-men/Incredibles theme comparison.
I have to say, I have no idea how you can make it. I've actually played the incredibles concert suite on many occasions and it has never once reminded me of the X-men show that I watched many times as a child.
If you are referring to some bit of underscore in the body of the movie... then my answer to that is who cares... really.
The main phrase of X-Men is entirely different from the Incredibles theme heard throughout the film. I've listened to both ad naseum for about 15 minutes now, and I have quite the sharp ear. Going through my copy of the soundtrack with noise-cancelling headphones yields nothing.
Even if there's a similarity I'm missing, its so slight that I could hardly call such a thing "appropriating".
Even if there's a similarity I'm missing, its so slight that I could hardly call such a thing "appropriating".
I'm also not sure where we shifted from comparing the two themes, to which ST-One posted links back here...
...to comparing one theme to a thematic bit which recurs throughout the score of the other. Since I have no familiarity with the "X-Men" series at all and have never seen more than a few bits of The Incredibles, these two YouTube clips are all I've got to go by.
Now, I've got a pretty good ear, but not perfect pitch. If there's some melody from the "X-Men" theme (and I use the term "melody" loosely here, as it seems little more than a techno dance-pop riff with slight variations) which was lifted and used prominently in the Incredibles music, perhaps a sketch of said melody in standard musical notation (or even simply writing out the names of the pitches/intervals and the durations/rhythm) would give me a clue as to what I should be watching for.
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perhaps the following should be over the end credits...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRhfF9yRGQg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRhfF9yRGQg
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