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Merritt Butrick and Kirstie Alley

I read Kirstie Alley's "The Art of Men" (I prefer Mine Al Dante) has a chapter of her brief stint on Star Trek and doesn't mention anything negative towards anyone. She wanted to return and it didn't work out, I assume it was money...
Starlog #84 (July 1984) has an interview with Nimoy promoting STIII. All it says is "the original actress' salary demands proved excessive" and then Nimoy talks about the challenges of finding a new actress for the part.

I read another interview somewhere (I'm forgetting where) where someone involved with the production said that her reps were asking for more money than DeForest Kelley was getting. (Not that Alley's people would've known what his salary was, of course.)
 
In one of tne podcasts there is some discussion about Butrick and Alley's experiences on TWOK. They really gloss over it, even mentioning legal reasons in the case of Alley, and that's it. Can anyone throw some light over these two actors experiences?

Starlog #84 (July 1984) has an interview with Nimoy promoting STIII. All it says is "the original actress' salary demands proved excessive" and then Nimoy talks about the challenges of finding a new actress for the part.

I read another interview somewhere (I'm forgetting where) where someone involved with the production said that her reps were asking for more money than DeForest Kelley was getting. (Not that Alley's people would've known what his salary was, of course.)

* This is my (paraphrased) summation from actual conversation with Paul Winfield (after filming ST II but before its release):

"I can tell you that Lieutenant Saavik gets along with Admiral Kirk much better than she did with William Shatner."

I was a bit flummoxed by this statement. At the time he seemed to be aluding to romance? (Later, there were more rumours that Alley and Shatner did not get along.) Not long after the movie came out, a set of ST II playing cards was released, several with Saavik and David in clinches, seeming confirming that Nick Meyer encouraged some scenes to be filmed to suggest a strong attraction between those characters.

Later, the ABC TV premiere of ST II had additional and alternate scenes. The Saavik/Kirk elevator scene was shown as a set of alternating individual closeups, rather than the wide shot used in the theatrical. They seem to be flirting with each other. Watching this scene, I was reminded of Winfield's anecdote.

There were also very strong rumours that Saavik/David (and Alley/Butrick) were being groomed as the new young leads for the series of (Nimoy-less) telemovies that may have been spun-off from ST II. But all that ended once Nimoy indicated his willingness to return... as the director of ST III.

Between II and III, some of the Shatner news zines were very critical of the David Marcus character, but they seemed more accepting of the character (and actor) after Marcus was killed off.

* This is my (paraphrased) summation from actual conversation with Bjo Trimble (at a convention in Australia, responding to early media reports, of the day, that Alley was not returning to the role of Saavik):

Alley was upset, but very quickly was offered the lead role in a play, which she decided to accept. ("The Glass Menagerie", IIRC.) Bjo reminded fans that in the early part of an actor's career, a lead role in a big play is probably more important than a supporting role in a sequel movie.

Contractually, Alley had to be invited back to the role in ST III. But the contract did not specify at what amount. Paramount made an offer at less than her ST II salary, arguing that "sequels always made less money". Her agent made a counter offer, embedded with room to negotiate down as expected - as any good agent would do. But Paramount never responded to the counter offer. The contract's clause had been fulfilled.

Nimoy was then free to recast. And it seems that the new director was keen to reimagine the Saavik character as full Vulcan, ignoring the scripted lines in ST II (cut from that film anyway). The makeup even added the Vulcan eyebrows. (It also seems to confirm rumours that popped up much later that Alley and Nimoy did not get along.)

Over time, though, the story about Alley's agent demanding "as much salary as Shatner (or Kelley) received..." seems to be what has survived. But it was a traditional counter offer.
 
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(It also seems to confirm rumours that popped up much later that Alley and Nimoy did not get along.)
He probably felt threatened by a better actor playing a more interesting vulcan.:vulcan:
Nimoy should have been the one to not come back, he wanted Spock dead, he got his wish. He also wasn't a good director. Shatner, Alley and Butrick as the new central characters directed by someone with a bit more vision would have been great imo.
 
its almost as if the movies were supposed to introduce the 'next generation' of star trek crew,, but when Shatner/Nimoy & co decided theyd stick around they were killed off or disappeared, so Paramount went to GR 'hey set it like 100 years after Kirk&Spock so they cant suddenly demand they all killed off/disappeared'
 
He probably felt threatened by a better actor playing a more interesting vulcan.:vulcan:

Certainly, Alley's Saavik seemed to be very well received, and I recall newsletters of the day had fans saying, "Well, it is sad that Spock is dead, but at least Saavik will carry on his legacy." (My friends and I were expecting that Spock's consciousness would end up in Saavik, not McCoy.)

He also wasn't a good director.

A lot of fans would disagree with you there. Nimoy might have had training wheels on for ST III - the closeups on the Sarek/Kirk mind meld were clunky - but his work on ST IV was excellent.

its almost as if the movies were supposed to introduce the 'next generation' of star trek crew,, but when Shatner/Nimoy & co decided theyd stick around they were killed off or disappeared

Ilia and Decker (and Xon) were intended for the "Phase II" TV series. At the end of the "In Thy Image" telemovie, Ilia is already restored, with Decker to return at the beginning of whatever script ended up being Episode #2.

Saavik started out as a male Vulcan named Savik. And yes, Lieutenant Saavik and David Marcus were considered as possible young, romantic leads for a series of Star Trek telemovies, if that's what Trek had to become to survive with Nimoy - and with De Kelley essentially retired from other acting work and Shatner still eager to have a non-Trek movie career. (Which is why he had only signed for a half-season on "Phase II").

But Shatner and Nimoy both returning essentially doomed all attempts to graft in new, younger characters, and led to fans and critics questioning why the "gang of four" continued hanging around with Kirk and Spock instead of pursuing their own commands.

so Paramount went to GR 'hey set it like 100 years after Kirk&Spock so they cant suddenly demand they all killed off/disappeared'

I think the "78 years later..." was Roddenberry's idea. But it meant he could reuse much of the conceptual work that had gone into "Phase II" and "The Questor Tapes", with Decker/Ilia becoming Riker/Troi, and Xon/Questor becoming Data, and the new TV series not running into problems with Harve Bennett overseeing TOS movies.
 
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He probably felt threatened by a better actor playing a more interesting vulcan.:vulcan:
Nimoy should have been the one to not come back, he wanted Spock dead, he got his wish. He also wasn't a good director. Shatner, Alley and Butrick as the new central characters directed by someone with a bit more vision would have been great imo.

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