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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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I get the feeling that the movie will end with their Earth and possibly entire universe destroyed, this is what forces them to go to the MCU. RDJ's Doom will probably be from their universe as well and rightfully blame Richards for dooming his world and likely about to doom the MCU. Which will lead to Doomsday and Secret Wars with Dr Doom trying to save the multiverse and bring back his world.

That's one possibility, but I'm skeptical. If that were the story, then the movie wouldn't really work as its own self-contained movie, only as a prologue to later stories. That would be bad storytelling structure. A lot of the biggest franchise-movie flops have failed because their makers got so fixated on setting up future movies that they forgot to make the current movie satisfactory and thus produced bombs that never got the sequels they were setting up (e.g. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 or Tom Cruise's The Mummy). Ideally, whatever the story of a movie is about needs to be resolved within the movie, even if it leaves a lingering thread that sets up a future movie. For instance, Quantumania introduced the Kang threat to the movies, but it gave a conclusive ending to the conflict with its specific Kang, leaving the rest as a teaser.

However, I suppose one possibility might be that their world's destruction is the end of the first act, while the second act is their arrival on Earth-616 and the third act is them saving 616 from Galactus like they failed to save their own Earth. That way it's a complete story, not just a fragment of one. And it's a debut that lets them prove themselves as effective heroes rather than failures.

Still, I'd prefer something less pessimistic, something where they succeed in saving their Earth, learn of the multiverse from Galactus, and choose to explore it as their next adventure.
 
Makes me wonder if Galactus can ever do something like stub his toe. Cars and trucks have wheels so ever car or truck he steps on is basically a slipping on a banana peel moment because the car might start rolling when you step on it. If he steps on people does he go soak them in water to get all the human goo stuff of his shoes? Also were in the world does he get his clothes and shoes from? He must know where a really impressive Big and Tall clothes store is at.
 
I figure that the movie is going to end with the Fantastic Four traversing over to the 616 universe and be stranded here trying to find a way home. There's no way they (Marvel/Feige) would set up a universe only to destroy it.
Or it ends with Sue giving birth to Franklin and a post-credit scene of Doom.​
 
I think they might destroy it but my twist prediction is we find out it in the post credit scene that Doom only used Galactus to destroy it so the Fantastic Four could come to the Prime Universe. A place he has already been living in.
 
I figure that the movie is going to end with the Fantastic Four traversing over to the 616 universe and be stranded here trying to find a way home.

I hope not. What's always defined the FF is that they're explorers. They're not about trying to get home, they're about eagerly adventuring into new realms.

Besides, I'm sure the whole idea is to include the FF in the mainstream MCU permanently. Kind of defeats the purpose if they're just trying to leave. And really, once Reed Richards gets a handle on the idea of the multiverse, it wouldn't take him that long to whip up a way to traverse it, so they could get home easily enough if they wanted. I mean, if Deadpool can pull it off, it can't be that hard for Mr. Fantastic. So the idea of them being stranded doesn't really add up.
 
I figure that the movie is going to end with the Fantastic Four traversing over to the 616 universe and be stranded here trying to find a way home. There's no way they (Marvel/Feige) would set up a universe only to destroy it.
Or it ends with Sue giving birth to Franklin and a post-credit scene of Doom.​
Secret Wars is coming, the comic was about an event causing every single universe to be destroyed. In the end only the 616 (mainstream Marvel comic universe) and 1610 (Ultimate Marvel universe) universes were left, then both were destroyed. Dr. Doom and some others were able to recreate a single Earth containing several multiverses all stitched together on one planet with Doom as the unquestioned God. Then Reed Richards and some heroes from 616 and Miles Morales from 1610 who managed to escape the destruction on a "life raft" show up and try to fix things.

I assume we'll get something similar but it will be the MCU colliding with the Fox X-Men universe, then we get a the stitched together Earth. I'm guessing we'll get the three Spider-Men back, maybe Miles shows up, a bunch of What If characters, and some fun cameos.
 
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Our first look at Julia Garner's Shalla-Bal is glorious. Plus more glimpses of shrunken large Galactus!
Yeah about that Silver Surfer....


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Secret Wars is coming, the comic was about an event causing every single universe to be destroyed.

The third series called Secret Wars was about that. The first was just about the Beyonder abducting a bunch of heroes and forcing them to fight, and the second was a sequel to that one about the Beyonder coming to Earth. And as we've seen, the MCU has used the titles of comics storylines for quite different stories in the movies. So it would be premature to make any assumptions about the film's storyline based on its title.


In the end only the 616 (mainstream Marvel comic universe) and 1610 (Ultimate Marvel universe) universes were left, then both were destroyed. Dr. Doom and some others were able to recreate a single Earth containing several multiverses all stitched together on one planet with Doom as the unquestioned God. Then Reed Richards and some heroes from 616 and Miles Morales from 1610 who managed to escape the destruction on a "life raft" show up and try to fix things.

And I still find it amazing that Marvel just copied Crisis on Infinite Earths and called it Secret Wars.
 
I preferred Jordan over Evans for cinematic Johnnys.

Like the actor but didn't really like anything from that movie. Sometimes I think I am one of the few people actually liked those first two movies. Not only was Evans great but I also really like Micheal Chikilis as The Thing and the combination of Doug Jones and Laurence Fishburne made for a good Silver Surfer in the second movie.
 
I really can't see them destroying the FF's universe in First Steps, this seems like they're trying to make it a positive, optimistic movie, and I can't see them going against that with a downer ending like that.
If they do start destroying universes, I have a feeling we won't see it happen until Doomsday.
 
I really can't see them destroying the FF's universe in First Steps, this seems like they're trying to make it a positive, optimistic movie, and I can't see them going against that with a downer ending like that.
If they do start destroying universes, I have a feeling we won't see it happen until Doomsday.

It would be a good way to make people feel the threat that Doom represents. To have him kill a bunch of people in a world we like and also the home of our Fantastic Four heroes. Better than just killing off faceless worlds we have never seen and have no connection to.
 
I really can't see them destroying the FF's universe in First Steps, this seems like they're trying to make it a positive, optimistic movie, and I can't see them going against that with a downer ending like that.
If they do start destroying universes, I have a feeling we won't see it happen until Doomsday.
I tend to agree. Having your new tent-pole heroes fail utterly in their first appearance is not how you build audience confidence.
 
I tend to agree. Having your new tent-pole heroes fail utterly in their first appearance is not how you build audience confidence.

I could see them, maybe not saving the world but saving many people in the world so it's not just them that comes to the Prime timeline but thousands of others basically being refugees. It is kind of how Thor-Ragnarok ended and that movie was part comedy.
 
It would be a good way to make people feel the threat that Doom represents. To have him kill a bunch of people in a world we like and also the home of our Fantastic Four heroes. Better than just killing off faceless worlds we have never seen and have no connection to.
But that has nothing to do with what this movie is about, and, would go completely against the tone they appear to be setting up, so it would feel completely out of place. It would make more sesne to save something like that for Doomsday, where it would fit better with the plot and what will probably be the tone of that movie.
 
Does it go against the tone? The impression I get the movie starts off and everything is great. The world is in a great place because the Fantastic Four solved many of our problems that exist in our world. Sue is going to have a baby and the family is together and enjoying the great news. Then the Silver Surfer shows up and levels a threat and one that creates terror in the world and lots of doubt in Reed Richards. Sue is worried about not just the world but the fate of her new incoming child. It feels to me the movie is going to get pretty dark maybe by the time of the second act.

I could see them finding out that they can't fully win but they can save some lives by using Reed's machine to travel to other worlds to take some people away. They will have to fight though before the plan can be fully executed. Which happens. Female Silver Surfer dies in the process because they will likely want to bring in Norrin Radd in future movies. I feel a big reason they aren't using him now is they are saving him for the sequel.
 
This seems to be going for a lighter more optimistic tone, it looks like this will be the biggest challenge that they've faced, and big part of the story will be them starting to become afraid and doubt that they an defeat Galactus, and in the end they'll struggle to overcome that fear and doubt to defeat him and same their world. By doing that, and then destroying the world anyway would go completely against all of that, and make the whole thing a pointless waste of time, and I really can't see them that.
If it was me in charge the post credits scene would be Reed introducing a ship or portal that will allow them to explore the mutliverse. Then when we meet them again in Doomsday they'll have spent several years exploring the multiverse, and we'll learn that throughout their travels they've been seeing more and more evidence that there's some kind of a big threat to the multiverse, and they'll come to 616 to warn everyone there about the threat. Then at the end as 616 starts to be destroyed, they'll go back home only to find that the same thing is happening to their universe too.
 
One problem with that idea is if they are Earth's only defenders, don't they leave it defenseless if they all go explore the Multi-verse? Which I think would be a issue right after just dealing with the biggest threat yet in Galaticus.
 
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