Major League Baseball 2009
- Thread starter tomalak301
- Start date
- Status
It figures that it was a Yankee who beat a Red Sox' record.
The AL CY Young Award winner had 16 wins???? 16 and 8????????? Sabathia turned the Yankees entire season around my having a rock hard number one starter! 19 WINS people.
RAMA
Yeah...wins are not quite as important as they're made out to be. Too much depends on the rest of the team, and on the opposing pitcher. Greinke's WHIP (walks plus hits per innings pitched) was also 1.073 compared to 1.148 for Sabathia, and Greinke's K/9 (strikeouts per nine innings) was 9.5, while Sabathia's was 7.7.
Greinke was definitely the better pitcher this season.
Greinke was definitely the better pitcher this season.
Yes, very much so. He deserved this award. If someone like Sabathia had won it, I would have screamed.
Gee, I wonder why.
Not pissed that Greinke won, myself. As I said earlier, I have a lot of respect for the Royals. (Alex Gordon even used to play for the Husker baseball team, along with Joba) I'm not as familiar with the stats as I should be, so I don't know why Greinke won or CC didn't. I care more about the *team* winning, at any rate.
Glad to see Greinke win the Cy Young. He didn't have the wins, but that was a product of the team he played for: In just about every other category, he was tops.
One stat I didn't see immediately, and may be trickier to determine, is run support. Greinke's record could easily be a function of that. With a modern day Murderer's Row such as the Yankees have, Sabathia doubtless had a MUCH higher run support. Make no mistake... if I were starting a team, CC is probably one of the first pitchers I'd take. It's simply that Greinke had the better overall performance this season, as is born out by the voting figures.
When you have two candidates where one is from an awful team and the other a contender, you need to throw some of those traditional stats out the window.
ERA, strikeouts and walks are direct measures of a pitcher, regardless of the team surrounding him.
Wins and losses, hits, number of runs scored, etc. are all impacted by the rest of the team. The better team is likely to have a stronger lineup and tighther defense, which will improve some of the pitcher's stats.
Plus they have some of those newfangled stats that are more normalized.
Greinke had better stats than CC for the most part, and winning 16 in KC an awful team is no small feat. How many 16 game winners were there overall?
ERA, strikeouts and walks are direct measures of a pitcher, regardless of the team surrounding him.
Wins and losses, hits, number of runs scored, etc. are all impacted by the rest of the team. The better team is likely to have a stronger lineup and tighther defense, which will improve some of the pitcher's stats.
Plus they have some of those newfangled stats that are more normalized.
Greinke had better stats than CC for the most part, and winning 16 in KC an awful team is no small feat. How many 16 game winners were there overall?
16 wins tied for the lowest in Cy Young Award history. Was Greinke more valuable to his team than Sabathia?? Certainly not. He solidified the top of the rotation and his stats after the all-star game were as good as any pitcher.
Sabathia did well on an already good staff. Greinke was about the only decent pitcher on the Royals staff. However, this isn't the "most valuable pitcher" award"; it;s the "most outstanding pitcher" award.
Consider the final vote tally:
It's nearly unanimous that Greinke is the winner.
Consider the final vote tally:
Code:
AL Cy Young Voting
[U]Player Team 1st 2nd 3rd Tot[/U]
Zack Greinke Royals 25 3 - 134
Felix Hernandez Mariners 2 23 1 80
Justin Verlander Tigers 1 - 9 14
CC Sabathia Yankees - 2 7 13
Roy Halladay Blue Jays - - 11 11Yeah the voters are out of their minds.
No, they are exactly right. Grienke had more Ks, a much better ERA, a much better WHIP, a much better K/BB ratio.
The guy was the best pitcher in the AL this year. It's not even close. Wins are such a useless stat when it comes to this award, I don't see how anyone, using the stats, could argue that Sabathia was anywhere near Grienke.
Yes, he was. The Yankees still would have been a very good team even without Sabathia. Greinke was pretty much all the Royals had going for them.
Wins and losses really aren't the top indicator of a pitcher's quality. There may be a few old fart baseball voters who heavily factor wins (like those few college football pollsters who always rank Notre Dame high no matter what) and a large portion of fans who don't actually understand baseball, but most baseball fans know better than that.
I remember arguing with someone who insisted that home runs were more important than RBIs -- and this was in grade school! It's the same sort of mentality with wins.
- Status
Similar threads
