Lt Savvik eyebrows !!

[Nero's Shadow]

I,ve recently just watched TWOK again and noticed Lt saavik eyebrows are normal ( straight ) shouldn't they be slightly slanted like any other vulcans eyebrows . ? Do you think that the actress kirsty alley said no 2 having her eyebrows tweaked.?

 

[Therin of Andor]

I,ve recently just watched TWOK again and noticed Lt saavik eyebrows are normal ( straight ) shouldn't they be slightly slanted like any other vulcans eyebrows . ? Do you think that the actress kirsty alley said no 2 having her eyebrows tweaked.?

The script for ST II specifies that Saavik...

"is young and beautiful. She is half Vulcan and half Romulan. In appearance she is a Vulcan with pointed ears, but her skin is fair and she has none of the expressionless facial immobility of a Vulcan."

Jack B Sowards didn't seem to realise that Romulans and Vulcans are related species. TOS Romulans had the same skin tones as TOS Vulcans. Yes, Alley wasn't keen to have her eyebrows shaved, but she has unusual highly-arched brows anyway, so it helped her achieve a more expression-filled facial mobility the script said she needed for the role.

For ST III, essentially Nimoy cast Robin Curtis as a full Vulcan.

 

[Grant]

Well I disagree on that.

Weren't most of the TOS vulcans played by rather dark actors..

Nimoy, Lovsky, Martel, Montaigue, Lenard....
Fairly dark skin, dark eyes, dark hair etc.

Of the few roms we saw in TOS the Rom commander seemed rather light as did Tal & the Centurian. Lenard would be an exception obviously.

And i rather doubt Sowards script description got to the final draft phase without Bennett noticing that line.

Maybe they were thinking of casting some with light eyes and hair and then changed when David & Carol were cast.

In any case, I wish they had kept her heritage as Romulan and her emotional issues. Curtis was a total bore to watch though I don't fault her.


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[Danny99]

The make-up people more than made up for it with Robin Curtis' eyebrows!

 

[Therin of Andor]

Well I disagree on that.

Weren't most of the TOS vulcans played by rather dark actors.

I'm not talking about actors' hair and eyes. The script specifies "her skin is fair", and therefore (green-eyed) Kirstie Alley didn't get the routine application of Max Factor blend of Vulcan pancake, LN1 ("Leonard Nimoy 1"), specially formulated for Fred Phillips during the early days of TOS).

Lawrence Montaigne and Mark Lenard played both Romulans and Vulcans in TOS, anyway. I didn't see that they were given lighter makeup treatments in "Balance of Terror" than they received for "Amok Time" (Stonn) or "Journey to Babel" (Sarek). As far as I know, the Romulans got LN1 as well.

And I did read interviews with ST II's makeup guy, Werner Keppler, who had to be schooled in the art of Vulcan makeup application by Leonard Nimoy, because Fred Phillips had become legally blind (not long after TMP). Keppler did not know the backstory on Romulans. When he was asked to provide green blood for Spock's death scene, he totally misunderstood and whipped out a green pancake makeup and liberally applied it to Nimoy's hand! Then, they ended up going back to the makeup area and Keppler mixed up a green coloured gel-like makeup, to pass as Vulcan copper-based blood, instead.

And i rather doubt Sowards script description got to the final draft phase without Bennett noticing that line.

The line is in the final shooting draft; of course Bennett noticed it! He probably agreed on the look of Alley's eyebrows.

 

[Cr031k]

Youd think a planet with inhabitants of a massive sun that Vulcans would be a little darker or naturally more tan.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Well, since Saavik, according to the backstory, didn't grow up on Vulcan, maybe she was on a planet where it was natural to be pale.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well, since Saavik, according to the backstory, didn't grow up on Vulcan, maybe she was on a planet where it was natural to be pale.

I'm not sure that would make a difference. If a person from the Congo moves to Sweden his children won't be any lighter than his genetic code allows

 

[KimMH]

A healthy, diverse gene pool would account for a fairly large range - i.e., humanity. Why wouldn't Vulcans and Romulans also both display a wide spectrum of dark to light? While Vulcan is hot and has 2 suns it does make sense most would be darker but there has to be a starting point - light, medium, dark, darker, etc.

 

[Kirby]

^^^ I agree, you can't expect everyone on the same planet to have the exact same skin pigmentation. Basic geography and evolution will make things different. Despite it being a desert planet, you have to assume that there may be colder regions of Vulcan somewhere thus, whiter vulcans.
Although, have we ever seen any blonde or red headed vulcans?

 

[Therin of Andor]

Although, have we ever seen any blonde or red headed vulcans?

Vonda McIntyre's novel, "Enterprise: The First Adventure", introduces Spock's blond Vulcan cousin who once ran away with an intergalactic circus because his family did not understand his desire to experiment with emotions. Years before Sybok was mooted for ST V.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Although, have we ever seen any blonde or red headed vulcans?

Vonda McIntyre's novel, "Enterprise: The First Adventure", introduces Spock's blond Vulcan cousin who nce ran away with an intergalactic circus because his family did not understand his desire to experiment with emotions. Years before Sybok was mooted for ST V.

I'd rather gouge out my eyes than read that book again. Wasn't his name "S'tev"?

 

[Therin of Andor]

I'd rather gouge out my eyes than read that book again. Wasn't his name "S'tev"?

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Stephen

 

[cooleddie74]

Jolene Blalock in seasons 1 and 2 of ENT also had annoyingly human-shaped eyebrows and I never once found out why she didn't go for the fully pointed, upswept brows from the get-go. The more Vulcan like ones didn't make their debut until "The Xindi," the premiere episode of Year 3.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Although, have we ever seen any blonde or red headed vulcans?

Vonda McIntyre's novel, "Enterprise: The First Adventure", introduces Spock's blond Vulcan cousin who once ran away with an intergalactic circus because his family did not understand his desire to experiment with emotions. Years before Sybok was mooted for ST V.

And yet Gene Roddenberry praised McIntyre's book-- there was a blurb on the back cover, iirc -- but totally dismissed TFF as "apocrypha." Then again, E:FA was better written than TFF. Also the former kept Spock an only child while TFF gave him a half-brother.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Then again, E:FA was better written than TFF. Also the former kept Spock an only child while TFF gave him a half-brother.

Exactly. DC Fontana suggested during the TOS production years, and Roddenberry agreed, that Spock remained a stronger, more compelling, more unique character, if he had no siblings. ST V deliberately went against this decree.

Roddenberry and Fontana had no problem with a Vulcan experimenting with emotions, just that they didn't want him to be a sibling of Spock.

 

[cooleddie74]

Sybok's canon now, though. So I guess we can just chalk him up as one of those sort of/mildly embarrassing things in Spock's background he didn't bring up with his friends and shipmates during their earlier years together. And perhaps something Sarek didn't want to bring up either since he was now married to Amanda and she refused to tolerate much talk about his previous wife.

 

[ncc-1017-e]

Robin Curtis did not want to shave off her eyebrows!

 

[Therin of Andor]

Robin Curtis did not want to shave off her eyebrows!

It's Kirstie Alley that preserved the look of her own uniquely-arched eyebrows in ST II.

Robin Curtis has the traditional "movie magic" slanted ones.

 

[cooleddie74]

To be fair, Robin Curtis looked more Vulcan. But Kirstie Alley was the more Vulcan-like in her expressions and was a better actress. So...it's a trade off.