Lt. Marla McGivers still being alive with Khan in WOK
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I am cautious to say this because the information seems a little contradictory and 3rd hand. There were reports that an early drat of the script (or perhaps a treatment) featured her character, but that her health issues (MS) precluded her involvement. Mind you, she did continue acting on TV for some years after TWOK's release, albeit she was eventually doing so from a wheelchair. But that's no clear indication of what her situation was in 1982.
Had her character been included I've no idea what she would have done. I imagine she might simply have been playing the Joachim role of trying to convince Khan to let go of his Ahab-like obsession.
Had her character been included I've no idea what she would have done. I imagine she might simply have been playing the Joachim role of trying to convince Khan to let go of his Ahab-like obsession.
Khan's son was filmed but excised, yes? With both Marla and an infant in the film,* I would have to wonder why Khan would jeopardize his whole living family just to get even with Kirk.
* - Not that Marla couldn't have been in the film without the child.
* - Not that Marla couldn't have been in the film without the child.
McGivers' death is plausibly what gives Kahn's vengence that extra edge of volitility. It's the only explanation that accounts for the sheer stupid stuff he got up to in the rest of the film.
"I'm laughing at the superior intellect, Kahn!"
"Ggggggrrr!!!1111 FULL SPEED AHEAD DAMN YOOUU!!!111
"I'm laughing at the superior intellect, Kahn!"
"Ggggggrrr!!!1111 FULL SPEED AHEAD DAMN YOOUU!!!111
If it was filmed for the movie idk but that pic of the child on the transporter with Genesis is supercreepy http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/628/847/1600/pic-st2rare1.jpg
The child was filmed. They generally do not film scenes that are not scripted.
Yeah, footage was linked to here of it years ago. They basically zoomed in on the Genesis device to remove the child from the scene.
Seeing a child on the Reliant just before it explodes would have been an absolutely horrible idea. I'm glad someone had the sense to edit that out.
Madlyn Rhue (Lt. Marla McGivers) did not reprise her role in 1982 for Wrath Of Khan, but she did guest star on a 1982 Fantasy Island episode with Ricardo Montalban (Khan) ! 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0577755/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_10
In this 1982 episode, Ricardo Montalban is there and at the 28 minutes 30 seconds mark Madlyn Rhue enters a scene.
Before they were paired together on TOS "Space Seed" Madlyn Rhue and Ricardo Mantalban were together on Bonanza:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0577755/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_10
In this 1982 episode, Ricardo Montalban is there and at the 28 minutes 30 seconds mark Madlyn Rhue enters a scene.
Before they were paired together on TOS "Space Seed" Madlyn Rhue and Ricardo Mantalban were together on Bonanza:
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I think that Madlyn Rhue (Lt. Marla McGivers) would have replaced the Judson Scott character advisor role to Khan.
If Marla was still alive, Khan wouldn't have a reason to go crazy and obsessively hate Kirk.
Unless it starts off as a means to evacuate his people from a planet gone bad, she dies in the first retaliation when Reliant engages the Enterprise and we get to see Khan's mental breakdown.
Unless it starts off as a means to evacuate his people from a planet gone bad, she dies in the first retaliation when Reliant engages the Enterprise and we get to see Khan's mental breakdown.
Exactly on both accounts. Marla dying is what turns Khan insane. Yeah, the planet being laid waste and Kirk (or Starfleet) never checking in on them is also part of it. If Marla were still alive in WOK, then Khan would have been written very differently.
As an aside, I find it fascinating that the actors who played Kirk's son and Khan's son would also be in the same TNG episode together.
It would have been interesting to see if McGivers' presence would have rendered Khan as closer to his Space Seed characterization for much of the movie.
But then he might be growing fatigued once again?
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I too had read an early draft had McGivers in it. But she was unavailable due to her illness and they wrote her character out of it. I would imagine that was probably an earlier draft that had different motivations for Khan and maybe altogether different actions.
I agree some of his actions were crazy in the film. I always tried to keep in mind that her death was probably the last straw for him, that finally pushed him over the edge in his deadly obsession, that his only reason for living was to take down Kirk, and that all other considerations were secondary at that point, including his own people.
I agree some of his actions were crazy in the film. I always tried to keep in mind that her death was probably the last straw for him, that finally pushed him over the edge in his deadly obsession, that his only reason for living was to take down Kirk, and that all other considerations were secondary at that point, including his own people.
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