Lost 6x12: "Everybody Loves Hugo"

[Dream]

Average. Wow, nothing happened except for Desmond falling down a well and AU Locke getting run over. Also Ilana got blown up, but none of the main characters seemed to care. So why should we?

The season has been lacking. The only classic that we have gotten this year is Richard's episode. Come on writers! You can do better than this!

 

[McCoy]

I don't think so.
The common thread of the side-verse people is that, though things are better for them, they don't have love.

The exception is Locke, who is the only one to not find love of some sort on the island but has, indeed, found love in the side-verse.

Helen? Everyone knows Locke's true love is Ben.

Seriously though, of all the people on the island, Locke's strongest relationship was with Ben. I think Locke's NDE will be Ben-focused, perhaps even including flashes of his own murder. How do you regard a mild-mannered chap who you believe murdered you in cold blood in another life?

Then again, perhaps I know not of what I speak.

 

[RoJoHen]

Wow, I'm actually starting to get bored of this show.

I think it's hilarious the different reactions people are having. I was bored with the beginning of this season, but I thought last night was one of the best yet.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

I think Desmond, like Sayid is on autopilot

 

[Hermiod]

My now seemingly weekly excellent vote.

 

[Orac Zen]

I think it's hilarious the different reactions people are having.

I can't be bothered discussing / debating TV shows any more (for lack of a better expression, I'm over that), so pretty much the only reason I bother with any of the show-specific fora - or even places like SF&F - on this board these days is because it's never ceased to intrigue me how people can watch the exact same things and have completely different reactions to them. The reactions to this season of Lost have been right up there for amusement / amazement value.

I voted above average, bordering on excellent. I really don't want this show to be over but at the same time I can't wait to see what happens next. This episode helped ramp up that feeling considerably.

 

[Demonland]

Great episode. The show is really hitting it's strides going into the final stretch.

I too think alt-Desmond ran over Locke so that he will be taken to hospital to be operated on by Jack thereby getting them together to "discover" the truth just like he did with getting Hurley and Libby together. I imagine his plan is to get all the "candidates" together in this alt-universe in order to discover the "truths" of their alt-lives on the island. To what end, time will tell .....

 

[The Habs Fan]

If the island is purgatory, it kind of makes sense in that you don't have to die on the island to be trapped on the island when you die.

The writers have said repeatedly and specifically that the island is absolutely not purgatory or anything similar........

I'm pretty sure they said that way back in Season 1. You shouldn't take everything writers say as 100% truthful, especially if they want to keep the purpose of the island a secret until the final episode.

 

[DevilEyes]

If the island is purgatory, it kind of makes sense in that you don't have to die on the island to be trapped on the island when you die.

The writers have said repeatedly and specifically that the island is absolutely not purgatory or anything similar........

I'm pretty sure they said that way back in Season 1. You shouldn't take everything writers say as 100% truthful, especially if they want to keep the purpose of the island a secret until the final episode.

And they said it specifically in answer to the theory that everyone on the Island was already dead, that they all died in the plane crash and got into the Purgatory. Which, I think, is obviously not true.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

yep its all in the wording, they got us on a technicality, hahaha

 

[label]

If the island is purgatory, it kind of makes sense in that you don't have to die on the island to be trapped on the island when you die.

The writers have said repeatedly and specifically that the island is absolutely not purgatory or anything similar........

I'm pretty sure they said that way back in Season 1. You shouldn't take everything writers say as 100% truthful, especially if they want to keep the purpose of the island a secret until the final episode.

I suppose they could have been bold faced lying, but they seemed pretty sincere in there attempts to convince people that the island is neither purgatory or all in someone's head.

 

[Hunter X]

And they said it specifically in answer to the theory that everyone on the Island was already dead, that they all died in the plane crash and got into the Purgatory. Which, I think, is obviously not true.

Yeah, that's my take on it too. The Island isn't purgatory for Jack, Kate, Sawyer, etc. But it does seem to be some sort of place where the spirits of dead people gather, probably because of all the other weird stuff going on there (electromagnetic-cakes). So it's a purgatory for those already dead. It's both. Typical of the writers, to have it both ways.

However, as others have pointed out, you don't have to die on the Island to appear on the Island. Richard's wife appeared there, and it seems that the man Sawyer shot back in season one is also there. Also, the ghosts can appear off-Island, made clear by Hurley seeing them well before he returns in 316.

This also just muddles even more what Christian is. Now the writers can say that sometimes he's a ghost (like when he appears to Jack briefly in the hospital) and that sometimes he was the Man in Black (like when he's giving sketchy instructions to everyone). That way we have an answer to plot-holes like, if Christian is the Man in Black, and the Man in Black wants off the Island, isn't he off the Island when he pops up in Jack's hospital, circa 2007?

I can also buy things like Ben telling Danielle that if she hears whispers, run the other way. Maybe the Others know what the whispers are. After all, Ben didn't seem overly shocked when he saw Alex (who he probably thought was a ghost, but was actually the Man in Black) back in Dead is Dead, the same episode where he gave Danielle that warning. The whispers warn of danger. It makes sense that since they're dead, death would follow them. Or they would follow it.

As for Desmond, put me in the camp that he's giving Locke a near-death experience. It has its holes, such as how would he know that running Locke over with his car wouldn't just kill him, and why not try some less painful methods first? But I think Desmond, both Desmonds, know way more than they're letting on. This event will also put Locke in the same hospital as Jack, with Sun and Jin on the way too. All we need is for Sawyer and Kate to find their way over and we've got just about everyone ready for a big ol' epiphany.

 

[chrisspringob]

David Fury also said in an interview back in Season 1 that there would be a scientific explanation for all the Island's mysteries. That seems to have gone out the window. The reason I'm not putting much stock in the writers' public statements from Season 1 is not because I think they were lying, but because I don't think they themselves had figured out what the Island was back then.

 

[coolghoul]

So what was Ilana's significance in the big scheme of things? What did she do that was so important? Or was she completely superfluous? Which kinda makes Jacob not as far-sighted (if not all-knowing) as he seemed.

After wracking my brains over it, the only thing that I could come up with on that was that she "converted" Ben over to the "good" side. Jacob had tried to reason with Ben - per Miles, he was disappointed in Ben when dying - so her only *role* in the big scheme of things might have been to finally bring Ben into opposition with MIB. I wonder if they are going to do a Gollum (Ben) sneaking up to do the real job whereas Frodo (whoever ends up as the true candidate for replacing Jacob) can't do the needful against Sauron (MIB).

Or is there something else that she did, that I'm missing?!

 

[Greylock Crescent]

I haven't read many comments the last couple of weeks. But has anyone else posited that Desmond's "failsafe" detonation in The Swan way back when was, in fact, him detonating an atomic bomb -- Jughead, perhaps?

And, if so, what might that mean?

 

[Hober Mallow]

I guess I wasn't really expecting much of an explanation for the whispers at all, so I'm satisfied with what we got tonight. Perhaps the dead people do it to serve as a warning that something dangerous is approaching, but since nobody can actually talk to the dead people, all they perceive are whispers.

That's not a bad explanation, actually. Although Ben more than implied to Rousseau that the whispers were, in fact, the Others. "Whenever you hear whispers, you run the other way!"

And why would the whispering ghosts be trying to warn the commandos on the island who were trying to destroy the island that the Others were approaching?

There's a problem with the explanation we were given. When Sawyer first heard the voices back in an earlier season, he heard the voice of the man in Australia that he shot. How and why would that person be trapped on the island and unable to move on? It makes no sense.

I don't know, but Isabella, Richard's wife, was on the island, even though she didn't die on the island.

Smokey basically tossed Desmond right into the heart of one of the island's magnetism foci. Come on.

LOL! Good point.

Also - how come Desmond is able to see the boy?! Previously Sawyer was unable to see the boy but SmokeyLocke had. And the boy smiled and went away quickly. That would mean that all is per either Jacob's plan or at least the boy's (whoever he turns out to be... Aaron? Desmond's kid?) plan.

You're remembering wrong. Richard didn't the boy, but Sawyer did see him.

Her death reminded me a lot of Rousseau and Alex's death. Basically the writers decided they were done with that story and just ended it in the most uncomplicated way possible: by killing it.

"The Island was done with her" basically means "the writers were done with her."

Well, yes, but it wasn't toally pointless. Abrupt, yes, but there was a point. The writers wanted to shift the leadership role to Hurley. They had to get Ilana out of the way to do that.

 

[Mr Light]

Well we already knew the Whispers were entities that would follow around and observe people... the Lostpedia transcripts shows they're just normal non-omniscient people watching and commentating. I'm sure they just follow people around for their own entertainment. Must be boring being a ghost.

 

[RoJoHen]

I guess I wasn't really expecting much of an explanation for the whispers at all, so I'm satisfied with what we got tonight. Perhaps the dead people do it to serve as a warning that something dangerous is approaching, but since nobody can actually talk to the dead people, all they perceive are whispers.

That's not a bad explanation, actually. Although Ben more than implied to Rousseau that the whispers were, in fact, the Others. "Whenever you hear whispers, you run the other way!"

And why would the whispering ghosts be trying to warn the commandos on the island who were trying to destroy the island that the Others were approaching?

I'd say it's very possible that there we're not always hearing the same ghosts every time we hear whispers. Different people's ghosts might have different motivations.

Michael said that they were trapped "because of what they'd done," so it's very possible they are trying to fine some form of atonement by attempting to communicate with the living people on the island.

As for Ben's warning to Danielle...if there's one thing I've learned about Ben in the last season or two, it's that he really doesn't know as much as he claims.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

He probably just wanted to scare Rousseau into being afraid of everything on the island in order to stay hidden. Honestly, when Ben said that, it was my first clue that the whispering wasn't the Others. Just like the smoke monster being an island security system. Rousseau tends to believe something she's told and, in her crazy mind, become more and more convinced that it is fact.

 

[SJA]

An excellent from me - just one thing and I apologise if this has been covered before - what's the theory on the identity of that kid popping up now an then and freaking Not Locke out?