Kurtzman intentionally killed Legacy?

[Beyerstein]

Kurtzman's previous statements were like he couldn't greenlight any new shows and getting Legacy into production was beyond his control.

Now they announce that a star trek live action comedy series is in development.

Its sounding more and more like Kurtzman felt threatened that Terry Matalas upstaged him and made sure Legacy didn't happen.

I just don't see how to move forward with him as the steward of the franchise knowing he may have stalled the project with the most fan enthusiasm.

 

[HotRod]

Or perhaps they simply don't want to have two series running at the same time that both take place onboard an Enterprise.

This myth that Terry Matalas somehow, against all odds, managed to craft Picard season 3 with his own bare hands, all while fighting off the evil of Alex Kurtzman, is truly a cancer on this fandom.

 

[The Wormhole]

Kurtzman's previous statements were like he couldn't greenlight any new shows and getting Legacy into production was beyond his control.

Now they announce that a star trek live action comedy series is in development.

Its sounding more and more like Kurtzman felt threatened that Terry Matalas upstaged him and made sure Legacy didn't happen.

I just don't see how to move forward with him as the steward of the franchise knowing he may have stalled the project with the most fan enthusiasm.

If comedy is what you're going for, then congratulations. This is one hilarious post.

But maybe, just maybe, Kurtzman has an interest in seeing the franchise grow beyond being self referential fanwank that Legacy would be.

And maybe, just maybe, Terry Matalas isn't that good a writer. I mean, even the fans who like Picard S3 have yet to name anything good about the season that isn't nostalgia. The guy literally used nostalgia to distract the audience from bad writing, and it actually seems to have worked among a certain vocal percentage of the audience.

But if there's one thing I've learned over the past year, it's that the Matalas cult will not be convinced their Lord and Savior is just a man and is as fallible as mere mortal men can be. If it makes you feel better to imagine Kurtzman yelling at Pontius Pilate to crucify Matalas, than have fun with that. Except you won't, since fun is not something your sect of Trek fandom tolerates.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

I am genuinely fascinated by how Alex Kurtzman is apparently the Evil Sorcerer Of Paramount, intent on destroying "True Star Trek" in whichever way he can and whenever the chance presents itself.

 

[Tosk]

There's always a need for a villain. Kurtzman is Berman's true heir.

 

[Dar70]

If comedy is what you're going for, then congratulations. This is one hilarious post.

But maybe, just maybe, Kurtzman has an interest in seeing the franchise grow beyond being self referential fanwank that Legacy would be.

And maybe, just maybe, Terry Matalas isn't that good a writer. I mean, even the fans who like Picard S3 have yet to name anything good about the season that isn't nostalgia. The guy literally used nostalgia to distract the audience from bad writing, and it actually seems to have worked among a certain vocal percentage of the audience.

But if there's one thing I've learned over the past year, it's that the Matalas cult will not be convinced their Lord and Savior is just a man and is as fallible as mere mortal men can be. If it makes you feel better to imagine Kurtzman yelling at Pontius Pilate to crucify Matalas, than have fun with that. Except you won't, since fun is not something your sect of Trek fandom tolerates.

The same can be said for SNW. They have mined a bunch of stuff from TOS. In many cases rewriting it.

The thing that fans like about Matalas over Kurtzman is that he tries to respect what came before a bit more than Kurtzman. Was he perfect at it? No. But he was way more on the mark than Kurtzman has been so far.

 

[Tallguy]

This myth that Terry Matalas somehow, against all odds, managed to craft Picard season 3 with his own bare hands, all while fighting off the evil of Alex Kurtzman, is truly a cancer on this fandom.

Surely this must be Kathleen Kennedy's fault.

 

[Tosk]

The thing that fans like about Matalas over Kurtzman is that he tries to respect what came before a bit more than Kurtzman. Was he perfect at it? No. But he was way more on the mark than Kurtzman has been so far.

Personally I think Matalas was more referential than reverential.

Out of curiosity, what decisions as showrunner did Kurtzman make that were 'disrespectful'? (I specify because Kurtzman overseeing the entire Trek slate is a totally different job to showrunner. If I'm not mistaken; as showrunner it's three seasons of Disco for Kurtzman, two seasons of Picard for Matalas.)

 

[Dar70]

Personally I think Matalas was more referential than reverential.

Out of curiosity, what decisions as showrunner did Kurtzman make that were 'disrespectful'? (I specify because Kurtzman overseeing the entire Trek slate is a totally different job to showrunner. If I'm not mistaken; as showrunner it's three seasons of Disco for Kurtzman, two seasons of Picard for Matalas.)

Right. Kurtzman is now overseeing more than running. For what he was disrespectful on I have gone over it several times on those boards before. I hate going over it all again. . But things like the fun house turbolift interior, awful Klingon Redesign etc. They did do a few things I liked in those first two seasons but not much. Discovery finished strong though for Season 4 and Season 5.

As for Matalas. He was co show runner with Akiva Goldsman season 2 Picard and had the full reigns in Season 3 which it definitely shows. Season 2 plodding along and had about 20 minutes of Q. It was pretty awful actually. Thankfully Matalas changed gears for season 3 once he got full showrunner status.

 

[HotRod]

Thankfully Matalas changed gears for season 3 once he got full showrunner status.

Weren't season 2 and 3 filmed back to back? After season 1, wasn't the plN always to bring back the TNG cast for season 3?

This is the myth bullshit I'm talking about....

Matalas didn't single handedly have the idea of bringing them all back. It was planned from the the minute they started filming the second season. No doubt he had a say in the matter, as did Kurtzman, the other producers, and the suits at Paramount.

 

[Tuskin38]

Klingon Redesign etc.

Kurtzman wasn't behind that, it was Bryan Fuller.

Matalas didn't single handedly have the idea of bringing them all back. It was planned from the the minute they started filming the second season. No doubt he had a say in the matter, as did Kurtzman, the other producers, and the suits at Paramount.

Terry said Season 3 was based off an idea he's had for a long time for a TNG follow up.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Lol to the people who don't understand that there's more than one person involved in putting these shows together and overseeing the details.

 

[HotRod]

Terry said Season 3 was based off an idea he's had for a long time for a TNG follow up.

An idea that he no doubt had to run up the chain. Someone had to sign off on it. Someone had to approve the budgets. Someone offered notes. And all of this would have occurred at the same time as planning was underway for season 2.

Which goes againt the narrative that he saw what was happening with season two and single handedly righted the ship with His third season.

 

[Tuskin38]

An idea that he no doubt had to run up the chain. Someone had to sign off on it. Someone had to approve the budgets. Someone offered notes. And all of this would have occurred at the same time as planning was underway for season 2.

Which goes againt the narrative that he saw what was happening with season two and single handedly righted the ship with His third season.

Yeah, I’m aware. But I do think it was Terry’s idea to bring specifically everyone back.

I’m sure Kurtzman and Patrick would have wanted some people to return, but I doubt it was the entire cast.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Its sounding more and more like Kurtzman felt threatened that Terry Matalas upstaged him and made sure Legacy didn't happen.

Kurtzman hired Matalas. You're supposed to hire the best filmmakers for the job.

Now here is why Legacy isn't happening, and you really won't like it: Star Trek doesn't have enough fans to survive. Paramount+ is floundering, they can't get a Trek movie in cinemas to save their lives. Legacy is fanwank aimed at the dwindling, existing fanbase. It won't bring one new person in with it's sequels to 30 year old TNG episodes or what to know what the exact letter of the Khitomer Accords is in 2501. Academy and this comedy thing? Aimed at people who don't normally watch Star Trek. People who like teen drama and comedy. And they are the ones who will save Paramount.

 

[Daedalus]

Now they announce that a star trek live action comedy series is in development.

First clue right there.

Half-hour comedy show set on a single location that probably won't get half the budget SFA gets. Legacy couldnt survive on that.

Or perhaps they simply don't want to have two series running at the same time that both take place onboard an Enterprise.

This I agree with. The Enterprise-G show airing the same time as the Enterprise OG show is just burning money.

Lol to the people who don't understand that there's more than one person involved in putting these shows together and overseeing the details.

Yep.

"They" are still discussing it all behind the scenes according to Matalas in latest D-Con podcast, and that will be a lot of people we aren't entitled to know about.

 

[Beyerstein]

So why end Picard with such an obv set up for a new show if it was never planned?

 

[Daedalus]

So why end Picard with such an obv set up for a new show if it was never planned?

Matalas planted some seeds in S3, but it wasn't more than a 'hit and hope' situation. Things are apparently still being talked about, but it's not going to be cheap if it happens.

Best wait until the final season of SNW for talk of another starship show.

 

[Dar70]

Weren't season 2 and 3 filmed back to back? After season 1, wasn't the plN always to bring back the TNG cast for season 3?

This is the myth bullshit I'm talking about....

Matalas didn't single handedly have the idea of bringing them all back. It was planned from the the minute they started filming the second season. No doubt he had a say in the matter, as did Kurtzman, the other producers, and the suits at Paramount.

I don't know why People keep saying that. Back to back doesn't mean up to the day. Some scenes for season 3 were filmed during season 2 production but most were filmed after season 2 wrapped. So he had plenty of time to plan a tone change for season 3 during the filming of 2. Which he did. As for the idea of the TNG crew. It probably just wasn't his idea. But I bet he pushed the hardest for it.

 

[Dar70]

So why end Picard with such an obv set up for a new show if it was never planned?

.wishful thinking?