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Kirk's First ship - the USS Farragut

Irishman

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Of course, we've all heard about her, that dramatic story of nearly a whole starship crew dying at the hands of a mysterious---something.

She is the USS Farragut, the starship on which Kirk first served. But, despite having heard the shocking stories, we've never been able to see her. Although TOS:Remastered might rectify that, I thought I'd show my idea first.

Of course, all crits and comments are welcome, as she's a WIP.

Here's what I've got so far.

Right out of the gate, I need some input. These are dorsal views of the Farragut, each with an asthetic twist. Do you prefer option A or option B? They're both similar, but each changes the feel of mass and balance of the ship.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/Irishman/Farragutnum1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/Irishman/Farragutnum2.jpg
 
Definitely the second one. The first looks like it just has a big block sitting on the saucer, but the second seems to look a bit more elegant.
 
Option B, yes. I'm looking forward to your further refinements (and more of that tasty shading! :D).
 
Well, thanks guys. Wow, two awesome artists right off the bat. It's hard to design a ship so close in time to the E-nil, and yet so different in function.

I'll be doing scaling later, next to the E-nil. For now, it' will probably change.

Her propulsion system I envision as a hybrid, and you'll see why when I post another set of updates.
 
Very interesting concept - but I was always under the impression that the Farragut was of the Constitution class (as seen in Chris Clairmont's "Debt of Honor"). Or was that more of a fanon-thing?
 
^The Star Trek Encyclopedia lists the Farragut as being a Constitution-class, which is how it is depicted in Debt of Honor and the DC comics adaptation of The Ashes of Eden. It is also a Connie in the fan production, Starship Farragut.

I, however, like to see more than just the Connie class in the TOS era and like the effort here.
 
I like the idea of a catamaran, but not the dual dishes. Personally, I'd go with the "dish on a stick", but I know that most people hate that design. Possibly some sort of ventral center pod or the leading edge of the saucer?

Very cool design though.
 
I always assumed it was a Connie, but I'm actually pleasantly surprised to see something different. Great looking ship. Too bad we never saw this on screen.
 
While I, also, like the idea of there being non-Constitution (or variant) type ships around... I think it's a losing battle to try to "redefine" things that people have known and/or accepted since the late 1960s.

Sure, it was never ESTABLISHED, firmly, that the Farragut Kirk was on was the same ship as the one that is canonically established as a Constitution-class. But why "mess with" things that aren't necessary to mess with.

We know that Kirk served on at least two other ships prior to Enterprise. One, the Republic, and two, the Farragut. It's also established, though "with holes," that Kirk commanded a destroyer-type ship prior to his command of Enterprise (which I personally hold should be a Baton Rouge class and should be named U.S.S. Alexander... after the role Shatner played that made him a star).

But it's also likely that Kirk served on several other vessels at various times. Certainly he had cadet-cruises at the Academy, and he would have had command-school training cruises during his Command Course (so at one point he would have been like the TWOK cadets, and at another point at least six years later he would have been in Lieutenant Saavik's place). If his career paralleled modern navel practices (which is very likely, considering that TOS Starfleet was patterned almost exactly after the US Navy, with some elements of the British navy tossed in), he would have served on at least two other vessels, for between two to three years per posting, until being given the Enterprise at the age of 32.

My point? He might well have been on this ship, but let's not say it's the Farragut... please?
 
I like the design, though I'd tweak it here and there. I think the nacelles are a little too greebled for something almost contemporaneous with the Enterprise. And the aft "booms" as seen from the side might work better if angled into the superstructure that sits on the aft of the saucer. The subtle ellipse of that boom just doesn't work... I'd try angling the upper face upward, and the lower face straight into the rest. Finally, I'd consider angling the nacelles away from the body to get them further away from the saucer. Same elevation, just angled away from the midline.

As for the name, I'd skip Farragut if only because it is established in TMoST as one of the "names established for starships." While that doesn't necessarily mean it is a Constitution, if it weren't one I'd make it a very close relative. Maybe the same overall configuration, in the way Masao's Asia or my Kearsarge echo the arrangement of secondary hull, saucer and nacelles that is on Enterprise without any of those components being the same.

This ship screams "fast frigate" to me. Or maybe a scout variant with expanded hangar space. It seems undergunned to be a destroyer, but you might have ideas on that score.

Whatever you do, it reflects the same care and craft that you always exhibit. I look forward to seeing more. :thumbsup:
 
It was a fanon thing, unless you consider the Encyclopedia to be canon. And you guys know how beholden I can be to canon. :)

It's surmised it's a Connie, but not definitive. Part of the problem with identifying her as a Connie has been with the crew complement - stated onscreen as something over 200 (half that of a Connie). Now, over the decades, explanations have been provided to explain the discrepancy between that number and the E-nil's crew complement. And, sure, it's a legitimate way to go to explain it, I've just chosen to go another way. :)

What I envision for the "extra" coils is some sort of hybrid. You'll notice the shorter nacelles, different tech there driving the vessel into warp than the later 1701-type nacelles. There's a sort of twisted logic behind it.

I imagine that part of the big reason the Constitution class was such a big deal for StarFleet was that it enabled high warp speeds AND higher acceleration rates than previous classes, in a more unified and efficient package. So, the Enterprise in TOS could make quick intra-system dashes at high warp by getting up to that speed faster than previous vessels, and maintain that warp factor for longer periods of time.

What I'm supposing with this propulsion system is that prior vessels did not have that combination of abilities, at least not as efficient as the Constitution class.

What I'm trying to show with the Farragut here is how the prior classes could have been doing it. Kind of a hybrid system that got the job done, but was hardly the preferred solution, and hardly elegant.

Let's look at it from a fleet development point of view. While designing the generation of StarFleet vessels that the Farragut was among, the engineers were able to wring warp 8 out of the drive using less energy than prior technology, but delta-V was horrendous, taking 12-15 seconds to go from standstill to Warp threshold. Acceleration did not improve at Warp Factors either.

So, they researched and ran simulation after simulation, and were never able to improve that number. Months later, they hit upon the idea of using a hybrid system comprised of the new drive, PLUS going back into prior successes and integrating a duo-block coil set from the old Soval-class transport. The advantage of working this hybrid solution is that when the vessel needed an extra push (as in rapid acceleration in combat maneuvers or high Warp Factors), it could bring online the duo-block drive to provide it.

Another few months of sim work provided the warp formulas that could allow what was, essentially, two warp fields working in tandem. The first test platform was then constructed, and initial runs proved the basic concept was sound. Requiring only minor tests to the power system (the old duo-block was designed for a lower-power power source, and the newer power sources were blowing it, so a sort of step-down transformer was required to make it work safely enough for a transport vessel).

To Aridas, yes I envision her a sort of fast frigate, something that could evolve into the later USS Reliant frigate. That's part of the reason I'm thinking of trying to keep vertical nacelle pylons on her. Everytime I play with angling them, it starts to look too much like the NX class, which I'm trying to avoid. I haven't decided on armament yet, so there's room to play and reason it out. What would be overkill for a vessel of its type?

About the twin deflectors, I'm not a fan of that configuration either, but an elegant solution is eluding me. If we could identify the exact features on the TWoK Reliant that are supposed to be its deflectors, maybe I could use that as an inspiration. The reason I ended up going with the twin deflectors here is because I hit upon the basic balance of the side view, which I think has a very tight aggressiveness to it. I want to maintain that without having hulls and structures protruding too far away from the core of the ship. So, that really ruled out dropping the lower hull to which the deflectors are attached, because that made it too bottom-heavy for my taste. I've got some ideas in my head for perhaps tweaking those structures to make it not quite so blocky and LEGO-ish.

Oh, and Aridas again, I would angle the rear booms up into the rear saucer superstructure, except I've got a shuttlebay there and I need it to have good clearance for ingress/egress. So, maintaining the ellipse really has been the best option I've played with so far. I'm walking a fine line between too boxy and too curvy. Now, granted, it's going to make detailing the front and rear views a bitch to get right without the benefit of a 3d model, but, hey, we make our own bed, don't we? :) I also have an idea for a short range (sublight only) shuttlecraft for her, I may have posted it before, but I have forgotten.

Oh, and Cary, you don't have to say this is the Farragut. It's just my little fun project. I'm not going to Paramount to try to get it used in movies. :)
 
neat i always really liked your work especially you enterprise era stuff like the pointer and intrepid do you have an public database of your pics?
 
I like the Monticello. However, call me crazy but I think it'd look better if you flipped the nacelles around and have the ship pointing in the opposite direction, with the impulse engine becoming an NX-ish deflector housing and two verticlly aligned impulse engines placed (approximately) at the 8 & 10 o'clock positions in the saucer.

P.S. That layout style looks oddly familiar. ;)
 
the monticello and carolina are great what other things do you have on the horizon?

could you post your deadalus and Intrepid?
 
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