I have always wondered about her holonovel that was set in the Victorian era where she plaid the head mistress. My question is was that based off of a real work of literature?
Janeway's holonovel?
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They were ripping off "Jane Eyre" would be my guess.
I just saw the trailer for the movie based on that coming out next year. As soon as I saw it, I kept saying it looked fimilar.
I wish they had official finished it, instead of the crappy send off of it in "Persistence of Vision".
BTW, the same little holo- girl in it also plays the Doc.'s holo-daughter in "Real Life".
I heard they did so because audience feedback declaired it too boring. I wasn't one of those, I love a good mystery.A shame tptb had to put the novel to bed.
Probably that the mother of the kids she was taking care off was in fact alive.
At the very least that's what I got from all of that.
Furthermore, it could be that they faked her death intentionally for whatever reason (someone may have wanted to kill her, or there was large inheritance in question, so instead of killing her off, it was easier to create a plan by faking her death and then later on just reap the benefits).
There are numerous reasons.
Oh man, count me in as one of those "bored" viewers. I never missed that holonovel when it went away - Velocity was way cooler.
It wasn't until reading this thread that I realized that mystery of the fourth floor was never solved, though :O I like the explanation that the mother was still possibly alive.
It wasn't until reading this thread that I realized that mystery of the fourth floor was never solved, though :O I like the explanation that the mother was still possibly alive.
I am not a fan of the holonovel, Carolyn Seymour notwithstanding. However, it could have been much, much worse. It would seem that the original idea was to have Janeway playing "Oregon Trail". ("Chakotay has died of dysentary.")
From:
http://www.star-trek-voyager.net/btshtm/bts_gothic.htm
When Jeri Taylor wrote the first draft of the teaser, she constructed a scenario in which Janeway was a pioneer woman in a covered wagon, headed out West. She had a husband and children. Day to day living was at a very simple level, often requiring her to do things for which she was quite unprepared and untrained such as building a campfire. In short, nothing remotely like her job as a starship captain. Taylor thought it was a great metaphor for the captain's predicament in the Delta Quadrant, and would also provide a unique method of developing and enhancing Janeway's character.
Only two small problems. First, Taylor discovered that Kate Mulgrew was not exactly thrilled with the idea of working with horses. Try dead set against it. Second, after looking at departmental cost estimates, Suzie Shimizu ran the budget numbers and discovered that the cost per episode could run as high as $100, 000 additional per day. Even though the pattern budget per episode was $1.8 million, this would still be a heavy hit. It was a pretty good bet that any episode would automatically be over budget every time Janeway yelled "giddy-up!"
From:
http://www.star-trek-voyager.net/btshtm/bts_gothic.htm
When Jeri Taylor wrote the first draft of the teaser, she constructed a scenario in which Janeway was a pioneer woman in a covered wagon, headed out West. She had a husband and children. Day to day living was at a very simple level, often requiring her to do things for which she was quite unprepared and untrained such as building a campfire. In short, nothing remotely like her job as a starship captain. Taylor thought it was a great metaphor for the captain's predicament in the Delta Quadrant, and would also provide a unique method of developing and enhancing Janeway's character.
Only two small problems. First, Taylor discovered that Kate Mulgrew was not exactly thrilled with the idea of working with horses. Try dead set against it. Second, after looking at departmental cost estimates, Suzie Shimizu ran the budget numbers and discovered that the cost per episode could run as high as $100, 000 additional per day. Even though the pattern budget per episode was $1.8 million, this would still be a heavy hit. It was a pretty good bet that any episode would automatically be over budget every time Janeway yelled "giddy-up!"
Oh, thank goodness that holonovel never materialized. Interesting article; thanks for the link! I can see the parallels with the Westward expansion, but, man... that would have been a whole new level of corny. And if we thought Sullivan was bad, a whole fake holo-family would have been even worse! Crazy tidbit about Jeri wanting Janeway to be married to Mark. Considering how the series played out, that might not have been a bad idea -although Janeway would have been even more lonely.
KM clearly had to work near or around horses for the Manions of America series back in the day; perhaps something occurred that made her vow never to go near the creatures ever again
After a few years of riding lessons and a stint as a stablehand, I'm not horribly fond of working near horses myself (although I certainly was as a little girl!) I pretty much just tolerate 'em at this point. They're pretty, but I swear the more expensive they are, the stupider they get.
http://www.totallykate.com/sfx1001/sfx1001.html
See 3rd paragraph down.
She had a horse riding accident when she was 21.
See 3rd paragraph down.
She had a horse riding accident when she was 21.
I liked the end of the article, best.
The interviewer has just brought up Robert Beltran's negative comments about Star Trek.
I dunno. I have great respect for Robert Beltran. But I think it's sour grapes. It begs the question of his personal well being don't you think? It seems to reveal a kind of insecurity. But I personally don't understand it. He's better than that. And I saw his Hamlet."
To which, the interviewer added....
Lucky woman!
Oh, thank goodness that holonovel never materialized. Interesting article; thanks for the link! I can see the parallels with the Westward expansion, but, man... that would have been a whole new level of corny. And if we thought Sullivan was bad, a whole fake holo-family would have been even worse! Crazy tidbit about Jeri wanting Janeway to be married to Mark. Considering how the series played out, that might not have been a bad idea -although Janeway would have been even more lonely.
KM clearly had to work near or around horses for the Manions of America series back in the day; perhaps something occurred that made her vow never to go near the creatures ever again
After a few years of riding lessons and a stint as a stablehand, I'm not horribly fond of working near horses myself (although I certainly was as a little girl!) I pretty much just tolerate 'em at this point. They're pretty, but I swear the more expensive they are, the stupider they get.
I can see what Jeri Taylor wanted to do, but agree that the wagon train idea is a bad one.
I'd prefer to see her doing a holodeck program where she is a pioneer pilot back in the barn-storming' days. Clearly, she knew of and admired Amelia Earhart. It would seem to be a good fit for Janeway.
I read somewhere that the Jane Eyre holo-novel idea came from Kate herself - can't remember where I read it though. It was after she didn't want to work with horses - she did in Manions and Roots (where she played the bounty hunter).
I quite liked the idea, but feel it would have been even better had they emphasized the mystery side right from the start of the novel. Have to agree though - Velocity was a much better idea.
I quite liked the idea, but feel it would have been even better had they emphasized the mystery side right from the start of the novel. Have to agree though - Velocity was a much better idea.
I always had trouble believing in Star Trek's use of holodecks. The budget was never there for the kind of things real people would want to do in them - I could imagine Paris doing F1 racing, or Worf leading thousands of Klingons to battle, for example. Of course, if they had done that it would have upstaged the episodes themselves. Thus, we are stuck with future people who put amazing technology to impossibly boring use, like "Dixon Hill" and "Janeway Eyre"
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. Thus, we are stuck with future people who put amazing technology to impossibly boring use, like "Dixon Hill" and "Janeway Eyre".
Gee... I loved "Dixon Hill"... especially when Crusher joined the party. (My, how Jean Luc brightened up when he saw her!)
I agree that the mystery aspects of the programs are the best, and IIRC they did push that early on with the Jane Eyre program... its just they also pushed the romantic stuff with the POV ep, which just reminded us shippers of what Janeway DIDN'T have on Voyager.
I did like the end of POV, however... when Janeway and B'Elanna have their little talk. It was almost as if Janeway herself realized the problem with the holodeck is that it can serve to isolate someone at the one time when others might best relate to her... when her crew is "off" duty.
[Messhall]
TORRES: I'm surprised to see you here, Captain. Isn't this the day that you're usually in the holodeck with your novel?
JANEWAY: I thought, after our recent experience, that I'd take a break from fantasy for a while.
TORRES: I don't blame you. I think it had quite an impact on all of us. Do you think it's true? That the alien was reading our minds, creating images from our own experiences?
JANEWAY: It seems that way. He had uncanny ability to bring buried thoughts out into the open. Why?
TORRES: Oh, it's just, I experienced something I'd rather not admit.
JANEWAY: I know. Me too. But, in a way, maybe he did us all a favour. Maybe it's better to look those feelings in the eye than to keep them locked up inside.
TORRES: I guess. I'll have to think about that. Well, I have an early watch tomorrow, so I'd better turn in. Good night, Captain.
JANEWAY: Good night, B'Elanna. Sweet dreams.
TORRES: Thanks. You too.
(Mama Janeway, born in "Elogium", rises yet again in "POV".
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I agree that the mystery aspects of the programs are the best, and IIRC they did push that early on with the Jane Eyre program... its just they also pushed the romantic stuff with the POV ep, which just reminded us shippers of what Janeway DIDN'T have on Voyager.
I did like the end of POV, however... when Janeway and B'Elanna have their little talk. It was almost as if Janeway herself realized the problem with the holodeck is that it can serve to isolate someone at the one time when others might best relate to her... when her crew is "off" duty.
[Messhall]
TORRES: I'm surprised to see you here, Captain. Isn't this the day that you're usually in the holodeck with your novel?
JANEWAY: I thought, after our recent experience, that I'd take a break from fantasy for a while.
TORRES: I don't blame you. I think it had quite an impact on all of us. Do you think it's true? That the alien was reading our minds, creating images from our own experiences?
JANEWAY: It seems that way. He had uncanny ability to bring buried thoughts out into the open. Why?
TORRES: Oh, it's just, I experienced something I'd rather not admit.
JANEWAY: I know. Me too. But, in a way, maybe he did us all a favour. Maybe it's better to look those feelings in the eye than to keep them locked up inside.
TORRES: I guess. I'll have to think about that. Well, I have an early watch tomorrow, so I'd better turn in. Good night, Captain.
JANEWAY: Good night, B'Elanna. Sweet dreams.
TORRES: Thanks. You too.
(Mama Janeway, born in "Elogium", rises yet again in "POV".
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