Is There In Truth No Beauty

[Trekfan12]

I saw this episode this evening and wondered why Spock was not wearing the visor after Ambassador Kollos was beamed aboard. They cleared the transporter room, he put it on. After he beamed the ambassador and Miranda on board he and she took it off (of course Spock didn't know Miranda was blind) Then later Kirk hung around the transporter room. Spock put the visor on and transported the ambassador and Miranda off and took it off and Kirk was still in the room. Shouldn't Kirk have been affected?

It was rather confusing as to when it was safe to look at the case holding Kollos

 

[Captain Rob]

I just said the very same thing in the Last Episode Watched thread.
I even went and freeze framed it to see if Kirk was even holding a visor. Nope.

 

[Timo]

Of course, simply looking away would protect Kirk - we know that any flimsy wall preventing direct line-of-sight suffices, as in the bridge scene, so the back of Kirk's skull should work fine. Heck, his eyelids might. It's not actually an in-universe contradiction, then, just a very odd directing choice.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[ZapBrannigan]

It's not actually an in-universe contradiction, then, just a very odd directing choice.

Timo Saloniemi

Director Ralph Senensky complained bitterly about the finished sequence. He had no input in the film editing, and the editor decided to make Shatner more prominent at the very end despite the fact that this violates the stated safety rule for Medusan transportation.

Required reading: http://senensky.com/is-there-in-truth-no-beauty/

The editor was Fabien Tordjmann, and frankly his work on "ITITNB?" was questionable in a number of places.

 

[UnknownSample]

As for the visor, people forget things. We're not perfect. Kollos was in charge, and it may not be something at the front of his mind, since it doesn't affect himself directly, and all this was an overwhelming experience for him.

 

[Timo]

Yes, it's clear that when Spock forgets his visor, it's actually Kollos forgetting it. The mystery here is Kirk "forgetting" his in the final shot - but he might well argue that he now knows the risks, and they are nil. If something does go wrong, all he gets is a bit of private intimacy with Dr. Miranda Jones!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Trekfan12]

They made a whole thing at the beginning of the episode and cleared the corridors when they transported kollos to his quarters. There are plenty of inconsistencies in this ep

 

[Timo]

OTOH, we learn that Medusans are rarely intermingling with us mere mortals. It only sounds logical that the heroes would at first be overcautious and then grow more confident...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Trekfan12]

OTOH, we learn that Medusans are rarely intermingling with us mere mortals. It only sounds logical that the heroes would at first be overcautious and then grow more confident...

Timo Saloniemi

Possible, but they kept flip flopping about when Spock was wearing the visor. First when Kollos came onboard, then took it off when they made it to the quarters. It didn't make sense, if the reason for wearing it was to keep one's sanity because viewing the medusan could drive you insane. Was it seeing him when the case door was open. or just looking at the case he was enclosed in? That is kind of confusing too. Why couldn't the case be designed with protection from sanity for other beings in mind?

 

[johnnybear]

Spock had become a composite creature and like what has been said earlier the idea of goggles was not required as Kollos was not afraid of his own image but the Spock part of himself did sort of forget! And he smiled a lot as both in one body too!
JB

 

[johnnybear]

They made a whole thing at the beginning of the episode and cleared the corridors when they transported kollos to his quarters. There are plenty of inconsistencies in this ep

Like was that the same barrier that they have crossed twice before in the show? Somehow it didn't seem like it to me but in books they claim it is and the lifted footage is definitely from the other episodes featuring the barrier!
JB

 

[Timo]

The goggles would supposedly be necessary only when the container was open. But when Kollos is beaming in or out, it is possible that the very act of beaming has the container "open" for a brief while - that is, the container might not have fully materialized yet by the time Kollos' maddening qualities have already materialized sufficiently to endanger the crew.

How real such a risk would be, it's hard to tell. Certainly a container of antimatter (such as beamed in "Obsession", say) should never have probems in the timing of the materialization! But the crew might have been preparing for an equipment malfunction here, fatal in the case of antimatter but less so in the case of Medusans.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[UnknownSample]

The goggles would supposedly be necessary only when the container was open. But when Kollos is beaming in or out, it is possible that the very act of beaming has the container "open" for a brief while - that is, the container might not have fully materialized yet by the time Kollos' maddening qualities have already materialized sufficiently to endanger the crew.

That is exactly what I have always thought they were implying.

 

[Forbin]

My fanboy rationalization: Kirk's eyes never leave Miranda's during the transport. He only has eyes for her. Kolos could have been sticking his metaphorical tongue out and going "ooogah boogah!" at Kirk, and he wouldn't have looked.

 

[Trekfan12]

My fanboy rationalization: Kirk's eyes never leave Miranda's during the transport. He only has eyes for her. Kolos could have been sticking his metaphorical tongue out and going "ooogah boogah!" at Kirk, and he wouldn't have looked.

LOL!

 

[Leviathan]

Goggles? GOGGLES? We don't need no stinking goggles.

 

[cgervasi]

I saw this episode this evening and wondered why Spock was not wearing the visor after Ambassador Kollos was beamed aboard. They cleared the transporter room, he put it on. After he beamed the ambassador and Miranda on board he and she took it off (of course Spock didn't know Miranda was blind) Then later Kirk hung around the transporter room. Spock put the visor on and transported the ambassador and Miranda off and took it off and Kirk was still in the room. Shouldn't Kirk have been affected?

My understanding is the there's no danger in looking at the case. When they beamed the ambassador aboard, they did not know he would be in a case, so they cleared the corridors and Spock wore the visor.

As Miranda was leaving Spock put the visor on primarily for sentimental reasons. He first met her with the visor, they shared a tumultuous journey with circumstances forcing Spock to get the honor of melding with the Medussan first and nearly dying, and when he said goodbye he wanted to remember her as he met her with the visor.

 

[UnknownSample]

They cleared the corridors so that there would be no accidents. It was that dangerous to see Kollos. People ensured with other people's safety don't say, "Oh well, he's got that box, I guess nothing could go wrong."
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In the transporter beam, the ambassador AND the box are being taken apart and put back together. Therefore the total integrity of the shielding is not guaranteed.

 

[Push The Button]

Maybe Kirk just closed his eyes or turned away.

 

[johnnybear]

Makes you wonder what Medusa was actually like as a planet doesn't it? Was there oxygen? Was there foliage and flowers? And just how do creature without a physical form as such exist on a planet like that? And if it Is a different kind of planet to the usual ones we saw on the show then how can Miranda live there?
JB