I know, same here.
Is the Trill part of the Federation in Deep Space 9?
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Regarding the Bajorans in Starfleet...
A couple factors might have made it possible. First, sympathy for their Occupation situation. Second, as an enticement to show Bajor that Federation membership was a good thing. ("Look how diverse we are. You're not a member yet, but we are already allowing Bajorans to be a part of Starfleet.") In other words, great P.R.
Exactly.
I wonder if some species have a larger agreement with the Federation that grants members who wish to go to Starfleet the ability to do so. If your species has no such agreement, and you wish to join, then you need a sponsor.
Something else to consider about some of those Bajorans and Trill in Starfleet: perhaps they came from Federation worlds rather than their species' homeworlds? For example, the DS9 security officer Mesk is an Orion by species, but came from Earth (Cincinnati, Ohio) as he was adopted by humans.
(I do believe Trill is a Federation member even though there's no definitive evidence.)
(I do believe Trill is a Federation member even though there's no definitive evidence.)
Don't you mean Khitomer?
They moved to Khitomer when Worf was five-ish.
But good point, I should have said Qo'noS, then Khitomer, then Gault, then Earth.
The Federation is a free society.
Post scarcity.
Post money.
Ezri's family is neither.
Worf was adopted by federation citizens, likely means he has a right to federation citizenship.
That's the point I was originally making. An individual being a Federation citizen doesn't necessarily mean that their species is a Federation member.
And likewise a human isn't necessarily a federation citizen even though their species is
But you would have to be a Federation citizen to join Starfleet. (At least, that is heavily implied.) If instances such as the case of Nog, you start out as not a citizem, you likely become one as soon as you enter Starfleet.
I don't see any evidence Nog became a federation citizen when joining starfleet, but clearly stated he wasn't when he applied.
Marquis weren't Federation citizens according to Eddington (which wasn't challenged, although not specifically accepted either), yet got provisional starfleet membership in voyager
Marquis weren't Federation citizens according to Eddington (which wasn't challenged, although not specifically accepted either), yet got provisional starfleet membership in voyager
If other Maquis planets in the DMZ were like Dorvan V (from TNG's "Journey's End"), they WERE Federation citizens but gave those rights up. Probably fairly easy to reinstate that status than it is to start from scratch.
I don't think we can use Voyager's situation as a template because that was a very, very unique scenario. Besides, as captain and a command level officer, Janeway had the authority to do that. (At least, until regular contact with the Federation was established.)
Regarding Nog...
No evidence shown, I agree. But I can't imagine a scenario where a non-Federation citizen who joins Starfleet (basically the military of the Federation) and serves and fights for the Federation and does NOT get to enjoy citizenship of what they are fighting to protect.
(It would be like how non-American citizens who join one of the military branches can get citizenship through a quicker process.)
I don’t think there’s any canonical support for the idea that someone who joined Starfleet from a non-member world remained a non-Federation citizen after graduating from the Academy. I’d argue that’s the kind of detail significant enough to at least warrant a line of dialogue in the show.
I've also always felt that Lisa Cusack's distress call heavily implied that being a Starfleet officer and being a Federation citizen go hand in hand—but that’s just my interpretation. There’s no canonical backing for that either.
I've also always felt that Lisa Cusack's distress call heavily implied that being a Starfleet officer and being a Federation citizen go hand in hand—but that’s just my interpretation. There’s no canonical backing for that either.
O'Brien said he was a Federation citizen as well as being in Starfleet during his 'processing' in "TRIBUNAL", so there's certainly merit to the idea both occur when you're in Starfleet. (O'Brien was born on Earth, so he was already a citizen. But I have seen nothing to indicate Starfleet officers are not also Federation citizens.)
Question mark is Tasha Yar... we know her home colony cut Federation ties, so when she did became an officer, did she become a citizen, too? (Also, did she get a command level officer's sponsorship?)
Question mark is Tasha Yar... we know her home colony cut Federation ties, so when she did became an officer, did she become a citizen, too? (Also, did she get a command level officer's sponsorship?)
It's a stretch, but in the case of Tasha Yar I'd like to think that because she grew up in a former Federation colony, and because she was human, she didn't need sponsorship.
As Starfleet and the Federation are, arguably, the Homo sapiens club Azetbur claimed they were, it's safe to assume that humans never need sponsorship?
But it really is an interesting thought!
The Cardassians were complete pricks about Federation Citizens ( The Maquis) terrorizing the border, and they were willing to destroy the Federation if the Federation couldn't keep it's shit together.
Paul, if you renounced your citizenship, publicly yelled it out a window for all to hear, would that allow you to indiscriminately rob as many banks as might feel comfortable to do so without the local municipal asking you, a complete foreigner now, as different from Joe 6-Pack as Borat, who probably went to the same high school you did, to "quit it" at gunpoint?
TNG Journey's end. The Federation Colonists became Cardassian Colonists when the border shifted. Very official, very real. The problem is that busy body Federation citizens claiming to have renounced their citizenship, calling themselves the Maquis, with ships and bombs supplied by/stolen from Starfleet, who were arming the human born Cardassian Citizens to kill their neighbours with Federation made phasers, were still the responsibility of the Federation to sort out, on the Federation side of the border.
This smacks of the Mujahideen using American made Rocket launchers to down Russian made Mil Mi-8 helicopters in 1980s Afghanistan, but I suppose that's been the point all along.
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