Is STARGATE (1994) the film & the SG series in the same canonuity?

[Hermiod]

^The Stargate only needs to spin when being manually dialled.

For the uninitiated, a Stargate has a secondary, backup dialling system for use in the event of the DHD being unavailable. Running sufficient amounts of electrical power through a Stargate causes the inner ring to unlock, allowing that ring to be rotated manually.

The SGC gate spins because they use this backup system as a primary system, they appear to have motors attached to the Stargate that cause it to spin, dialling the appropriate address.

Think of it like a phone that, for some reason, had a touch tone keypad and also an old rotary dial in case the touch tone pad didn't work.

The Stargates in Atlantis appear not to have an inner ring. I cannot remember them ever manually dialling a Stargate, but I may be wrong.

 

[Karnbeln]

The film is in the series's continuity, but the series is not in the movie's continuity. The original creator of Stargate hated the show so much he refused to even be credited.

He's been trying to get MGM to let him finish his original trilogy for years, but MGM would rather stick to the series's universe.

 

[Hermiod]

The film is in the series's continuity, but the series is not in the movie's continuity. The original creator of Stargate hated the show so much he refused to even be credited.

Yeah, Devlin and Emmerich make their opinion about Stargate SG-1 very clear in their DVD commentary for Stargate.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

^The Stargate only needs to spin when being manually dialled.

For the uninitiated, a Stargate has a secondary, backup dialling system for use in the event of the DHD being unavailable. Running sufficient amounts of electrical power through a Stargate causes the inner ring to unlock, allowing that ring to be rotated manually.

The SGC gate spins because they use this backup system as a primary system, they appear to have motors attached to the Stargate that cause it to spin, dialling the appropriate address.

Think of it like a phone that, for some reason, had a touch tone keypad and also an old rotary dial in case the touch tone pad didn't work.

The Stargates in Atlantis appear not to have an inner ring. I cannot remember them ever manually dialling a Stargate, but I may be wrong.

I don't think they ever needed to manually dial since the Jumpers come with their own DHD.

 

[Checkmate]

The Stargates in Atlantis appear not to have an inner ring. I cannot remember them ever manually dialling a Stargate, but I may be wrong.

That Stargate was also far more advanced than the ones found in the Milky Way galaxy. It was designed long after they had left, afterall, and was found in the last bastion of their society. Pretty much the pinnacle of Stargate technology.

The film is in the series's continuity, but the series is not in the movie's continuity. The original creator of Stargate hated the show so much he refused to even be credited.

No, the series had similar events to the movie, but they weren't the same by a large margin. Numerous examples have been listed about the massive differences already, but to recap a few of the bigger points:

• The Stargate worked nothing like it does in the series. It doesn't work like a telephone number, it requires you to learn the constellations of the world you're on and use those to pinpoint a location in the universe (not just the galaxy).
• Abydos wasn't in the Milky Way galaxy.
• Everyone in the universe doesn't speak English.
• Huge personality differences between the people playing Daniels and O'Neil(l).
• O'Neill (series) mentions that another O'Neil (movie) exists and goes on to describe the O'Neil (movie) from the movie. If both of them exist and it was O'Neill who went through the Stargate the first time and had the adventure on Abydos, guess what: O'Neil didn't.
• Ra and his species were completely different. No ifs or buts about it.
• In the movie, the Stargate was in Creek Mountain. In the series, it was in Cheyenne Mountain and had been there long before the movie took place (as seen in time travel/flashback scenes).

There's no way they were in the same continuity/universe. The differences are too numerous and encompassing, and most of those points ignore all of the myriad aesthetic differences.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

To answer the original poster: Yes, they take place in different universes/continuities, but the series had similar events take place in their past.

The most notable difference that many people seem to ignore is that in the movie, Ra is the only member of his species (and he most definitely wasn't a worm) that was still alive. The rest had died out, and the only reason he survived is because he found that he could bond himself with a human and then keep that human alive through technology.

I thought it was mentioned by Daniel in Children od the Gods that Ra lied about being the last.

That could be a partial answer, but if you listen closely to what Daniel says in the movie, he's not reciting the story from the heiroglyphs, he's paraphrasing it. He's explaining what happened as he understands it.

 

[Hermiod]

^It's made more than a little clear that translating dead languages, even by someone with Daniel's skill, is not an exact science. Having native speakers like Sha're and Teal'c around help.

 

[Checkmate]

^ You mean the two guys who mysteriouslt spoke English fluently, who were members of races that spoke English fluently? The latter of which had never had a single encounter with the English language yet still spoke it fluently during his first such encounter? Even though that was a monstrous obstacle in the movie's universe?

Hell, I'm still boggling at why they needed Jackson around at all. Even the Ancients spoke English as their native language. Stargates didn't need translating anymore, either, once the series retconned all the addresses into telephone numbers and they found the friggin' white pages soon thereafter.

Well, that's not fair. They only spoke English natively unless they or someone else was reading their language. Then, mysteriously and inexplicably, they had a whole other spoken language that needed translating. Because in no way is that stupid or mind-boggling. At all.

The series was a tragically dumbed down universe of the movie's universe. To be honest, I'm not sure why a few people in this thread are so hardcore into trying to rationalize why they're in the same universe rather than accepting the gross changes made. It's like "wot, the series SG team can't possibly have had the same adventure as the movie's team! It's inconceivable! We must ignore everything that's inconsistant to MAKE it consistant!" It's ridiculous. Seriously.

 

[shivkala]

We've seen many SG episodes dealing with parallel universes. I always thought this film took place in one of those. Meaning, the version of these events that took place in the main SG universe would be slightly different.

That's my take on things, it accounts for all of the differences and allows us to explain away the things that don't quite match up.

So in the SG-1 universe, the Jaffa and people of Abydos spoke English, the RDA O'Neill went with the Shanks Jackson through the gate, and found Ra, a human who had been possessed by a Goa'uld.

And when in 30 odd years someone decides to remake Stargate, we'll just assume that's in yet another reality!

 

[Hartzilla2007]

We've seen many SG episodes dealing with parallel universes. I always thought this film took place in one of those. Meaning, the version of these events that took place in the main SG universe would be slightly different.

That's my take on things, it accounts for all of the differences and allows us to explain away the things that don't quite match up.

So in the SG-1 universe, the Jaffa and people of Abydos spoke English, the RDA O'Neill went with the Shanks Jackson through the gate, and found Ra, a human who had been possessed by a Goa'uld.

And when in 30 odd years someone decides to remake Stargate, we'll just assume that's in yet another reality!

Actually in the pilot I think it was mentioned that Daniel had taught the people of Abydos english.

 

[SG-17]

The Stargates in Atlantis appear not to have an inner ring. I cannot remember them ever manually dialling a Stargate, but I may be wrong.

That Stargate was also far more advanced than the ones found in the Milky Way galaxy. It was designed long after they had left, afterall, and was found in the last bastion of their society. Pretty much the pinnacle of Stargate technology.

The film is in the series's continuity, but the series is not in the movie's continuity. The original creator of Stargate hated the show so much he refused to even be credited.

No, the series had similar events to the movie, but they weren't the same by a large margin. Numerous examples have been listed about the massive differences already, but to recap a few of the bigger points:

• The Stargate worked nothing like it does in the series. It doesn't work like a telephone number, it requires you to learn the constellations of the world you're on and use those to pinpoint a location in the universe (not just the galaxy).
• Abydos wasn't in the Milky Way galaxy.
• Everyone in the universe doesn't speak English.
• Huge personality differences between the people playing Daniels and O'Neil(l).
• O'Neill (series) mentions that another O'Neil (movie) exists and goes on to describe the O'Neil (movie) from the movie. If both of them exist and it was O'Neill who went through the Stargate the first time and had the adventure on Abydos, guess what: O'Neil didn't.
• Ra and his species were completely different. No ifs or buts about it.
• In the movie, the Stargate was in Creek Mountain. In the series, it was in Cheyenne Mountain and had been there long before the movie took place (as seen in time travel/flashback scenes).

There's no way they were in the same continuity/universe. The differences are too numerous and encompassing, and most of those points ignore all of the myriad aesthetic differences.

The series officially retconned the movie. So the differences do not matter.
And the part about O'Neill mentioning O'Neil was a joke, there were alot in the pre-season 9 era.

 

[Broccoli]

The film is in the series's continuity, but the series is not in the movie's continuity. The original creator of Stargate hated the show so much he refused to even be credited.

Yeah, Devlin and Emmerich make their opinion about Stargate SG-1 very clear in their DVD commentary for Stargate.

Yet, interestingly, a few years back, Devlin had nothing but praises for SG-1/Atlantis. Then again, he did make a deal with MGM (where he hoped he would be able to make his Stargate 2 & 3).

 

[Antediluvian]

I think originally the baby goa'uld were supposed to be young parasitical members of the MOVIE Ra's race in their adolescent form, they were white/pale skinned, had the same wierd mouth, whatever, and then they'd grow into full blown members just like Ra was. Major similarities between the two beings.

They obviously decided against that and had their adult for be just serpent parasites.

Whatever, I know they're in different continuities but I enjoy both

 

[Kemaiku]

^Even the oldest Goa'uld in the series were still snakes in the heads of their hosts. We are even shown male and 'queen' Symbiotes outside of the body described as being in their "mature" form. They are much larger, dark green skinned (male) or deep reddish pink (queen), large eyed with highly developed fins but still distinctly snake like for male and pregnant Lamprey like for the Queen. Nothing even remotely like Ra, unless the Symbiote was inhabiting an offshoot of the Unas and wearing the Human skin over that *shrugs*

 

[Hartzilla2007]

^Even the oldest Goa'uld in the series were still snakes in the heads of their hosts. We are even shown male and 'queen' Symbiotes outside of the body described as being in their "mature" form. They are much larger, dark green skinned (male) or deep reddish pink (queen), large eyed with highly developed fins but still distinctly snake like for male and pregnant Lamprey like for the Queen. Nothing even remotely like Ra, unless the Symbiote was inhabiting an offshoot of the Unas and wearing the Human skin over that *shrugs*

Actually some one mentioned that movie Ra in his first form from the flashbacklooke more like an Asgaurd.

 

[Random Canadian]

^ You mean the two guys who mysteriouslt spoke English fluently, who were members of races that spoke English fluently? The latter of which had never had a single encounter with the English language yet still spoke it fluently during his first such encounter? Even though that was a monstrous obstacle in the movie's universe?

Hell, I'm still boggling at why they needed Jackson around at all. Even the Ancients spoke English as their native language. Stargates didn't need translating anymore, either, once the series retconned all the addresses into telephone numbers and they found the friggin' white pages soon thereafter.

Well, that's not fair. They only spoke English natively unless they or someone else was reading their language. Then, mysteriously and inexplicably, they had a whole other spoken language that needed translating. Because in no way is that stupid or mind-boggling. At all.

The series was a tragically dumbed down universe of the movie's universe. To be honest, I'm not sure why a few people in this thread are so hardcore into trying to rationalize why they're in the same universe rather than accepting the gross changes made. It's like "wot, the series SG team can't possibly have had the same adventure as the movie's team! It's inconceivable! We must ignore everything that's inconsistant to MAKE it consistant!" It's ridiculous. Seriously.

Keep in mind, though, that when you're making a television show you just don't have the time to do things that you can in a movie. I remember the producers of the series pointing out that for a tv show that portrays people visiting a new culture every week or two, it would be impossible within time constraints to develop a method of communication. They said that they basically had two options; pretend everyone in the universe speaks English and make the series, or don't make the series because it would be impossible to do. Personally, I'm willing to overlook that kind of thing if it make the show possible to begin with.

 

[Valin]

There was a third option: the Ancients could have made the Stargate alter its travellers so that they could understand/speak the local language.