Is KITT too powerful? (SPOILERS for new Series)

[God Magnus]

*sigh* Trying to discuss this with you is like trying to discuss anything rational with my ex-wife. Neither of you two understand that A<>B.

THE ADVANCED AI IS THE DEGREE OF FANTASY WE CAN BELIEVE BECAUSE OF THE POWER OF COMPUTERS!!!!!!!!!1111111

THE TRANSFORMING TECHNOLOGY SUCK GIANT DONKEY BALLS BECAUSE OF THE MANY EXAMPLES ALREADY STATED



dammit

I find no need to be insulting. I have never once insulted any poster's intelligence or their ability to be rational. I have asked for examples and explanations, something most haters have failed to provide.

While the tone of your post is a bit excessive, I see the point you are trying to make. That's all I've been asking for from most people posting on the topic. Yours is actually the first post I have ever seen where someone said "The power of computing might just create an AI whereas transformation tech is too beyond even current scifi sensibilities."

To that I say I have different expectations of escapist entertainment such as KR than most people who complain about the transformations. To me, this is no different than James Bond's car being able to turn invisible or transform into an undersea vehicle. In the world of KR, incredible technologies were established back in the 80's, so I see this as an extension of that. However, I do understand that is not an opinion shared by everyone so I'll refrain from addressing it further in this topic lest more people get outrageously upset.

 

[God Magnus]

I suspect there's still others that do it out of plastic.

I've heard there are. They're referred to as "rapid prototypers" IIRC and are used in the toy industry.

 

[God Magnus]

Some neat articles about the scifi tech in KR and how there are some real life versions of the technologies either already in use or in development.

3D Printing

"Katie & Lisa" (the two robots) article

Face recognition technology

Underwater cars

 

[Tyson]

I like Knight Rider because my brain gets a rest after a day of thinking when I watch it. That's what it's there for and anybody who analyzes it past that point doesn't get it.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Some neat articles about the scifi tech in KR and how there are some real life versions of the technologies either already in use or in development.

3D Printing

"Katie & Lisa" (the two robots) article

Face recognition technology

Underwater cars

j/k, good links

 

[darkshadow0001]

I don't know. I liked the new show so far, it almost seems to be a remake of the 80's series. I actually think the transformations are awesome, especially the truck! This show is much better then the awful Knight Rider 2000 TV movie made back in the early 90's, the red version of KITT just sucked.

 

[Silent_Bob]

I suspect there's still others that do it out of plastic.

I've heard there are. They're referred to as "rapid prototypers" IIRC and are used in the toy industry.

Currently the company putting the most effort into developing them is Games Workshop, who now use them as part of their miniature sculpting. Works by creating a 3D image on a computer, then using a vat of light sensitive resin and a laser to "print" the image out.

 

[Brent]

What gets me about KITTs 3D printer though is that he seemingly created the matter out of thin air, like he replicated the matter.

 

[John Picard]

What gets me about KITTs 3D printer though is that he seemingly created the matter out of thin air, like he replicated the matter.

Replicators cannot create anything out of thin air and many people vehemently argue that they can/do. They forget the basic law of Physics that "matter cannot be neither created nor destroyed, only changed in form".

The HUD is believable because Chevrolet used that in the Corvette for quite a while and to this day the military has it in their jets. I thought the hood doubling as a computer monitor/display to be a bit ridiculous.

 

[3D Master]

What gets me about KITTs 3D printer though is that he seemingly created the matter out of thin air, like he replicated the matter.

Replicators cannot create anything out of thin air and many people vehemently argue that they can/do. They forget the basic law of Physics that "matter cannot be neither created nor destroyed, only changed in form".

:sighs:

First of all, it's "Energy" that is said not to be able to be created or destroyed. And it's also WRONG.

That little adage is 19th century physics and is known to be false ever since we found the universe is expanding.

An expanding universe equals there is more space-time today, then there was yesterday, that there is more space-time now, than a second ago. And space-time happens to be just another form of energy. Or maybe better put, a container of energy. Every insignificant little bit of space-time is filled with a nearly unlimited amount of energy, and when new space-time is created as the universe expands, all that new space-time is filled with an equal amount of energy. In short, a second ago, there was less energy in the universe then there is now: energy is CREATED.

And since it can be created, it can be destroyed. Aka: a black hole. In a black hole, energy is destroyed. A black hole has so much gravity that not even light can escape from it. A block hole simply keeps consuming more matter, energy and space-time. It's essentially a whole were space-time is infinitely warped and curved, and eventually all that warping and curving will destroy the very things that curve it. At this point, the black hole simply evaporates, and disappears, space-time smoothing over where it was before. Everything still inside it at that point; gone, destroyed, including energy.

It's the reason why no one with some knowledge is worried about the Large Hadron Collider producing a black hole that will eat and destroy the planet. A tiny microscopic black hole like that would evaporate rapidly.

 

[John Picard]

What gets me about KITTs 3D printer though is that he seemingly created the matter out of thin air, like he replicated the matter.

Replicators cannot create anything out of thin air and many people vehemently argue that they can/do. They forget the basic law of Physics that "matter cannot be neither created nor destroyed, only changed in form".

:sighs:

First of all, it's "Energy" that is said not to be able to be created or destroyed. And it's also WRONG.

That little adage is 19th century physics and is known to be false ever since we found the universe is expanding.

An expanding universe equals there is more space-time today, then there was yesterday, that there is more space-time now, than a second ago. And space-time happens to be just another form of energy. Or maybe better put, a container of energy. Every insignificant little bit of space-time is filled with a nearly unlimited amount of energy, and when new space-time is created as the universe expands, all that new space-time is filled with an equal amount of energy. In short, a second ago, there was less energy in the universe then there is now: energy is CREATED.

And since it can be created, it can be destroyed. Aka: a black hole. In a black hole, energy is destroyed. A black hole has so much gravity that not even light can escape from it. A block hole simply keeps consuming more matter, energy and space-time. It's essentially a whole were space-time is infinitely warped and curved, and eventually all that warping and curving will destroy the very things that curve it. At this point, the black hole simply evaporates, and disappears, space-time smoothing over where it was before. Everything still inside it at that point; gone, destroyed, including energy.

It's the reason why no one with some knowledge is worried about the Large Hadron Collider producing a black hole that will eat and destroy the planet. A tiny microscopic black hole like that would evaporate rapidly.

Energy is generated from a mechanical process or chemical process. It is NOT created. Black holes do not destroy anything. They merely compact all of the mass of whatever it is that they consume.

 

[3D Master]

Energy is generated from a mechanical process or chemical process. It is NOT created. Black holes do not destroy anything. They merely compact all of the mass of whatever it is that they consume.

Talk about more 19th century physics. Ever heard of nuclear fission and fusion friend? Fusion is what powers the sun, and it generates energy. They're not chemical processes.

Also, ever heard of the big bang? Created the universe in its entirety, every spec in it, the engine that runs the expansion of the universe, comes from it. Including all the energy and matter. Including all the energy and space-time created as it expands.

Simply put; if energy could not be created, we would not exist, because the universe that gave birth to us, could not have started.

And no, a black hole, does NOT merely compact all the mass or whatever it is they consume. They tear it apart into its most basic components, and even that, eventually disappears as the black hole itself evaporates.

 

[John Picard]

Energy is generated from a mechanical process or chemical process. It is NOT created. Black holes do not destroy anything. They merely compact all of the mass of whatever it is that they consume.

Talk about more 19th century physics. Ever heard of nuclear fission and fusion friend? Fusion is what powers the sun, and it generates energy. They're not chemical processes.

Also, ever heard of the big bang? Created the universe in its entirety, every spec in it, the engine that runs the expansion of the universe, comes from it. Including all the energy and matter. Including all the energy and space-time created as it expands.

Simply put; if energy could not be created, we would not exist, because the universe that gave birth to us, could not have started.

And no, a black hole, does NOT merely compact all the mass or whatever it is they consume. They tear it apart into its most basic components, and even that, eventually disappears as the black hole itself evaporates.

Energy is not created from nothing. The sun generates energy via fusion.
Nuclear fusion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion

In physics and nuclear chemistry, nuclear fusion is the process by which multiple like-charged atomic nuclei join together to form a heavier nucleus. It is accompanied by the release or absorption of energy. Iron and nickel nuclei have the largest binding energies per nucleon of all nuclei. The fusion of two nuclei with lower mass than iron generally releases energy while the fusion of nuclei heavier than iron absorbs energy; vice-versa for the reverse process, nuclear fission.
Nuclear fusion occurs naturally in stars. Artificial fusion in human enterprises has also been achieved, although not yet completely controlled. Building upon the nuclear transmutation experiments of Ernest Rutherford done a few years earlier, fusion of light nuclei (hydrogen isotopes) was first observed by Mark Oliphant in 1932, and the steps of the main cycle of nuclear fusion in stars were subsequently worked out by Hans Bethe throughout the remainder of that decade. Research into fusion for military purposes began in the early 1940s, as part of the Manhattan Project, but was not successful until 1952. Research into controlled fusion for civilian purposes began in the 1950s, and continues to this day.

And nuclear reactors produce energy from fission:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission

Nuclear fission is the splitting of the nucleus of an atom into parts (lighter nuclei) often producing free neutrons and other smaller nuclei, which may eventually produce photons (in the form of gamma rays). Fission of heavy elements is an exothermic reaction which can release large amounts of energy both as electromagnetic radiation and as kinetic energy of the fragments (heating the bulk material where fission takes place). Fission is a form of elemental transmutation because the resulting fragments are not the same element as the original atom.

I guess you never took Physics in school. No matter what type of BS you're slinging, matter cannot be created nor destroyed, only changed in form.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

 

[3D Master]

Energy is generated from a mechanical process or chemical process. It is NOT created. Black holes do not destroy anything. They merely compact all of the mass of whatever it is that they consume.

Talk about more 19th century physics. Ever heard of nuclear fission and fusion friend? Fusion is what powers the sun, and it generates energy. They're not chemical processes.

Also, ever heard of the big bang? Created the universe in its entirety, every spec in it, the engine that runs the expansion of the universe, comes from it. Including all the energy and matter. Including all the energy and space-time created as it expands.

Simply put; if energy could not be created, we would not exist, because the universe that gave birth to us, could not have started.

And no, a black hole, does NOT merely compact all the mass or whatever it is they consume. They tear it apart into its most basic components, and even that, eventually disappears as the black hole itself evaporates.

Energy is not created from nothing. The sun generates energy via fusion.
Nuclear fusion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion

:sighs: and it is NOT chemistry. Seriously, read, then think before you write something down.

I guess you never took Physics in school. No matter what type of BS you're slinging, matter cannot be created nor destroyed, only changed in form.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

:sighs:

I DID take physics in school, and I keep up with all new (and old) developments in physics.

YOU don't get it, conservation of energy, is OBSOLETE. It's 19th century physics, not 20th century physics, let alone 21st century physics.

And AGAIN it's conservation of ENERGY, it is ENERGY that was once said could not be created or destroyed, NOT matter. Matter is being destroyed all the time, and has thus become energy.

In quantum mechanics, energy and matter are being created all the time, and then disappear again a fraction of a second (essentially destroyed) later.

The universe expands, and thus energy is created in a matter that is not being destroyed a moment later.

If energy could not be created, the universe could not have been created. We're here, the universe is here, it was created, thus energy can be created. This isn't so hard to grasp:

Does the universe exist? Yes. Did it thus once come into existence / was it created? Yes. What is the universe made out of? Matter and energy, and matter is just highly concentrated energy. Thus what was created at the beginning of the universe? Energy. Can energy be created? Yes.

Simple as pie, but if you refused to understand even pie.

 

[FalTorPan]

Okay, I give. The only way to know if neoKITT is too powerful is to see how long it can run a Windows operating system without either being hacked or just crashing altogether.

 

[God Magnus]

Okay, I give. The only way to know if neoKITT is too powerful is to see how long it can run a Windows operating system without either being hacked or just crashing altogether.

So what you're saying is...if he lasts 24 hours he's waaaaay too powerful?

 

[FalTorPan]

Perhaps.

If neoKITT's OS were to crash, then would he have blue scanners of death?

 

[God Magnus]

Perhaps.

If neoKITT's OS were to crash, then would he have blue scanners of death?

Imagine it - the entire HUD turns into a blue screen of death!

 

[FalTorPan]

The sky is full of hexadecimal numbers!

 

[Brent]

Ok, after thinking about it, and rmemebering what they showed in Knight Rider 2000 and the things we have today, I'm willing to buy the HUD on the windshield. However, I am not yet willing to buy the HUD on the hood of the car. And of course, not willing to buy the Transformers aspect. I prefer the ability it showed in the premier movie better, that was more realistic than this transformers crap.