That’d be neat if a bit Ender’s Gamy.
But it’d probably revolve around the ethics of targeting alien civilians, as “We succeeded at revenge genocide, yay?” would be a weird spot to end a franchise.
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That’d be neat if a bit Ender’s Gamy.
But it’d probably revolve around the ethics of targeting alien civilians, as “We succeeded at revenge genocide, yay?” would be a weird spot to end a franchise.
That's why i would want a Memorial Day movie to end it...so Earthers remember what they were supposed to be about. A good warning for those seeking power for the oppressed .. that it can be "easy" to turn into the oppressor
Or a movie from the alien perspective desperately trying to protect their children from the human onslaught.
We already had a "humans suck" movie. It's called Avatar.
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^Just the one? 
Ahem...I kind of like ID4-2 up until the part where the big alien ship "docks" with the Earth, which was just ludicrous. And the only thing missing from the boss fight at the end was a Health Bar.
I like the premise they set up for the sequel, but I certainly don't trust them not to botch the execution.
Ahem...I kind of like ID4-2 up until the part where the big alien ship "docks" with the Earth, which was just ludicrous. And the only thing missing from the boss fight at the end was a Health Bar.
I like the premise they set up for the sequel, but I certainly don't trust them not to botch the execution.
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I don't think such movies would deal with topics like these - it'll be "Hell yeah! Kick some ass!" followed by some one liners spoken by attractive young Hollywood newcomers supported by some old guard actors and a sh...load of CGI battles.
These movies are simple but honestly, sometimes i like and need simple movies where you can turn off the brain for 2 hours, enjoy the 'splosions and at the end tear the movie apart ( which is why Michael Bays' Armaggeddon is one of my favorite movies
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I don’t disagree. ID4 is a base concept that’s supposed to just be an empty vessel to fill with star power.
But I’m not sure how you could have Earth attack the alien planet while keeping it unambiguously morally righteous. Unless they are not attacking the home planet, they’re attacking an alien military base destroying which would cripple their ability to attack Earth again.
“Genocide yay” would not have the same “F yeah” factor.
But I’m not sure how you could have Earth attack the alien planet while keeping it unambiguously morally righteous. Unless they are not attacking the home planet, they’re attacking an alien military base destroying which would cripple their ability to attack Earth again.
“Genocide yay” would not have the same “F yeah” factor.
That would be even more Ender’s Gamy. Hey, how do we know the aliens aren’t, in fact, the Buggers?
Even so, disabling enemy forces then still going for the genocide is still iffy to a lot of the audience.
Even so, disabling enemy forces then still going for the genocide is still iffy to a lot of the audience.
I don't think anyone wants to see humans be the bad guys in this kind of movie. Plus it would be hard to feel bad for aliens after what they did to earth in the first movie. If they were doing another movie I would say the aliens have built a base on the moon and they are shooting weapons from the moon at earth, naturally destroying landmarks. So Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum, A sexy female astronaut played by Taraji P. Henson and Princess Diana who didn't die in this world in 1997 since the aliens attacked in 1996 and has now become a soldier in the new World and Played by Hayley Atwell have to take a alien bomb up to the moon and destroy the alien base even though it's a long shot they will escape because the bomb will also destroy half of the moon as well. Well action yadda yadda and character banter yadda yadda it works out and they do escape by taking a shaft to the center of the moon which is not destroyed when most of the rest of it is. They get a message to earth they survived and rescue mission gets them. Aliens are dead again and final shot of the moon that looks like a golf ball cut in half. The end.
IF they would show humanitiy commiting genocide, then yeah, thats a bad thing, but if we destroy the main queen, or destory all the world engines, that would be okay. If we do an Enders and go destroy there homeworld, egh.. not great.
Given what we've seen of their civilization thus far, I would think destroying a "main queen" would likely inflict serious damage upon it.
It would be interesting to see that the aliens had civilians versus military, or perhaps even a portion of the 'citizens' were opposed to their current practices...but that's not what this franchise has thus far been about.
I guess ID4 did have some moral discussions (whether or not to use nukes), but I don't recall any such considerations in the sequel.
It would be interesting to see that the aliens had civilians versus military, or perhaps even a portion of the 'citizens' were opposed to their current practices...but that's not what this franchise has thus far been about.
I guess ID4 did have some moral discussions (whether or not to use nukes), but I don't recall any such considerations in the sequel.
Whether or not there exists a civilian population that opposes the military, it would still make humans look bad if they targeted any aliens not actively designing to harm humans.
The backstory is that the aliens have something between a hive-mind and a collective consciousness, and that their technology operates on similar principles. They're utterly incapable of living as isolated individuals (which is reason why the Roswell fighter and landed Destroyer in Africa were inert until more aliens started to approach, and why the third alien who survived the Roswell crash died shortly afterward), but they're also dependent on their queens for direction, which is why the alien POWs in Area 51 were alive, but listless, until the Harvester came along. There was a scene in the novel prequel to Resurgence (which was much, much better than the movie) where the land-war with the alien survivors in Africa finally ends when, they kill an alien who was noticeably bigger and angrier than the rest of them, and after that, the other stragglers just stop fighting, which suggests there are different "ranks" of queens, with the Harvester being at the top of the heap, then colony motherships like the first movie, then the destroyer saucers all having their own leaders the others are dependent on for motivation and direction.
If you wanted to get into it, you could try a storyline where assassinating the Queen of Queens would disrupt the cohesion of their society, and either cause the aliens to descend into civil war, or open their minds to dissent, with a faction interested in finding a less rapacious way of life than squeezing a planet dry and, once there's nothing left, poaching it like an egg and moving on.
If it's a collective consciousness then there's no aliens not actively designing to harm humans,
And before anyone compares them to the Borg, as far as we know the aliens aren't assimilating unwilling beings into their hive mind.
That only works if it’s literally impossible to cripple their military forces without killing them.
If consideration isn’t given though, and there’s a point in the film where the aliens have already been crippled and they continue the onslaught, humans will look just as bad as the aliens regardless of whether the narrative brings it up.
I want the sequel where Patrick Moore gets into a fist-fight with an alien