If Lon Suder had lived? (Basics Part II)
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Suder was a psychopath. A pardon is out of the question. Putting him off the ship is just pawning your problem off on someone else. Continued confinement with more privileges is probably the answer. Maybe letting him participate in away missions where having a psychopath along might be helpful.
Butt with logic, Lon is a high functioning Psychopath.
Similar to Ted Cruz.
Similar to Ted Cruz.
Suder was an awesome character. It would have been great to see him continue on, slowly and steadily gaining the trust of the crew. He'd never be a bridge officer but he was genuinely trying to contribute and better himself. He and Seven could have some interesting conversations about coming to terms with the things they've done.
It reeked of "wrap everything up neatly and leave no complicated loose ends" the way they offed him.
It reeked of "wrap everything up neatly and leave no complicated loose ends" the way they offed him.
He murdered 7 Kazon in the last four seconds of his life.
They wanted a psychopath, and did not give a shit about his growth or redemption arc.
The Doctor damned him, and flushed every ounce of character that Suder had built over the last year.
What a pack of assholes.
They wanted a psychopath, and did not give a shit about his growth or redemption arc.
The Doctor damned him, and flushed every ounce of character that Suder had built over the last year.
What a pack of assholes.
In the end he seemes remorseful. His meld with Tuvok and therapy seemed to be working. If he had not been killed he likely would have remained confined to quarters for a while then i could see limited duty with a security guard
I've recall reading that the baby story line was introduced because the actress was pregnant. I always wondered what happened to that kid
Martha was pregnant, correct. I wonder too
I really liked him, he had hidden demons and I think we could've gotten a lot more of him than we did. I think he would've remained in confinement just because of the severity of his crime, I think he'd have continued his genetic manipulations in his little aeroponics bay/room. I suppose he got a fitting end though and it was what he deserved. Brad is a good actor and I remember him being particularly good in Alien Resurrection.
Kathy had her mind made up.
She did not believe that making orchids was payback enough for killing some random dude randomly. Maybe this dead person, Frank Darwin, was who Janeway was sport banging to take the edge off? That could explain why she had such a hard on for punishment over rehabilitation?
One of the equinox 5, Brian Soffin, was a security guard in the episode Repentance, where the psycho killer prisoner had his personality fixed with Surgery, but no one cared.
Seven of Nine was on her way, so I'm confident that Suder would've just been sequestered back into confinement and simply allowed to be forgotten about ...
Worse.
If Suder had lived, Berman owed us another Ponn farr episode.
I'm assuming his cycle would be synced with Tuvok.
If Suder had lived, Berman owed us another Ponn farr episode.
I'm assuming his cycle would be synced with Tuvok.
I think so... he took a deep breath and felt the pain of knowing killing was wrong but that he had to do it.
If the 24th century was fair, for his heroism that day, there would have been a holiday named in Lon Suders honour.
He would have remained confined but with more and more privileges and maybe eventually doing helpful work.
It's an interesting ethical question, if you could cure psychopathy, would then psychopaths not be responsible for the actions they took before being cured, if the psychopathy was the result of a neurological illness? But then, psychopaths would think they could kill whoever they want and get away just by being cured, and there's plenty of psychopaths out there who aren't violent and haven't killed anyone. They'd have to still be responsible, but maybe it'd be a factor to consider in sentencing.
If Suder was truly cured by the mindmeld, they'd still never let him out of his quarters, but if he wished to contribute, he'd have been allowed to.
It's an interesting ethical question, if you could cure psychopathy, would then psychopaths not be responsible for the actions they took before being cured, if the psychopathy was the result of a neurological illness? But then, psychopaths would think they could kill whoever they want and get away just by being cured, and there's plenty of psychopaths out there who aren't violent and haven't killed anyone. They'd have to still be responsible, but maybe it'd be a factor to consider in sentencing.
If Suder was truly cured by the mindmeld, they'd still never let him out of his quarters, but if he wished to contribute, he'd have been allowed to.
Didn't he want to use his work with the orchids as a basis for trying to come up with a way to grow more food in the aeroponics bay?
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