Well Housewife is a full time job..... Regardless of decade
I do not like MCU films
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Well Housewife is a full time job..... Regardless of decade
Not sure a woman of Martha Wayne's station would be called a "housewife".
Not sure a woman of Martha Wayne's station would be called a "housewife".
"shrugs"
My argument is that it's disingenuous to act like Stark recruited a middle school kid when it isn't true. And, yes, at that age, 3 years makes a huge difference. Which is *not* intended to say that Stark's actions were ok, because I already said they weren't. Simply pointing out that this is pointless exaggeration.
A: People do not make choices based on a single factor alone. Did you marry your wife because she was hot, intelligent or willing to have you? Which of the three is it?! Be serious.
B: Tony Stark made the choice to involve Peter Parker because of his abilities, usefulness and Tony's general interest in him (reminding him of himself as a young inventor, etc). The *filmmakers* formed these scenes the way they did so that they would tie into the overall theme of the movie by displaying Tony's slow fall into betraying his own principles while ostensibly attempting to defend them. Those are two completely different discussions and your attempt to act like they are in any way contradictory makes absolutely no sense at all.
Tony Stark being an arrogant screwu-up is 100% in character. Batman and Superman are technically supposed to be better than that...
Regardless, I haven't seen anyone complaining about Superman 'going too far fighting for his beliefs', and those complaining about Batman seem to be in the minority. The problems in BvS were in the execution far more than the basic ideas. I don't care that Batman went dark, I care that his reasons for going dark weren't well explained, his philosophical justification for his ideas was pure bs, and his awakening from his dark period was ridiculously abrupt to the point of being silly and didn't even help the film to its natura.l climax because it came like 20 or 30 minutes before the end of the movie.
OR, you just want to be spoonfed.
Batman is an archetype, not a whole character. He needed his stories to really be about his villains and not him. Other characters who are actually characters do not require a villain to have any point to their existence. This whole notion of how a hero always needed a villain was just a justification for not caring much about the hero.
He had time to calm down by then.
Then you shouldn't complain that Civil War does exactly what people say WS, IM3 and TDW shouldn't done.
Depends on how ashamed you are of comics.
Not sure what you mean by this... Some comics are fluff, some comics have meaning. The same is true with movies, and I am not sure I see your point.
Housewife is a fairly specific descriptor. As a wealthy woman it's doubtful she performed the duties associated with the term.
I looked her up on Wikipedia, and it doesn't have a citation, but it does say that Martha actively fought against the abuse and trafficking of children, and that she ran a "covert detective agency" with Alfred and Gordon as part of that fight. I think some of the other versions have also portrayed her as active with the charities and things that Thomas ran.
But without the murder of his parents by a villain, there's no Batman--ever. He--like Peter Parker--has his reason-to-be (a superhero) only from the direct influence / effect of a villain.
...said the guy who defends the preschool-level / anti-intellectual drivel called Age of Ultron .(and other silly Marvel films). It has to be a sugary, flashy bowl of cereal in order for a certian part of the adult Marvel fans to swallow.
Nonsense. Batman's very origin--like Spider-Man--established a dramatic character forced on a journey from an innocent to devastation, to the will to fight against crime, but never finding true happiness no matter the amount of victories.
Once again, heroes (the greater heroes) are defined by villains--Luke Skywalker's desires in Star Wars mean nothing until Kenobi made Vader personal to Luke with lie that the villain murdered his father--a driving motive for Luke until the reveal late in The Empire Strikes Back. The Doctor (Dr. Who) is as defined by the Daleks or The Master as he is by anything else in his adventures (original or NuWho era). Its certainly not fawning companions or the guy just wandering around. Spider-Man took on a legendary status with his numerous, ultimately deadly history with the original Green Goblin. It goes on an on. Heroic fiction does not capture interest in being a study in the protagonist alone, as he would be incomplete as a character.
Which brings an end to that short lived "hero conflict," and Stark's asshole behavior.
You're the one trying to make some point of people looking for hereos to appear in those films; my argument is that they did not need to be there--even in CW. The film is not a point-by-point adaptation of the comic to any degree, so they could have benched some of that high school reunion. The Bucky plot, and Cap's reasons for opposing the accords was the strong foundation.
All comics are not the cartoonish, dumbed down, WWE-style crap seen in AoU, etc. The greatest comics were usually free of that crap, and if big battles occurred, there was a logical, story-motivating reason for it, as seen in Crisis or Kingdom Come. Not nerd porn.
I'm just commenting on Bruce becoming a foppish playboy, if his parents hadn't been murdered. Doesn't seem where he'd be headed.
Peter would not doubt have become a scientist. Hopefully getting a nice scholarship at a top school. Maybe eventually getting a Noble Prize.
Dial down on the pretentiousness and wannabe-snobbery, m'kay?
It was just the latest take on the "Socialite who fights crime" archetype, like Zorro or the Scarlet Pimpernel.
The lazily written ones.
Utter dung.
Just that one murderous episode, not the entire conflict. Otherwise Steve would've come back.
You can just admit you don't know what you want, it'll make things easier.
AOU is only that if you dislike comic books in the first place and only go for that spineless "grounded" stuff.
Crisis was nothing BUT the stuff you say you dislike in AOU, and Kingdom Come wasn't very good. It's mainly remembered for Alex Ross' artwork.
You have that completely backwards. The greater heroes are defined by many characteristics, least of which are their villains. Luke's heroes journey had nothing to do with the single throw away line aboit Vader, but about leaving his boring life, joining the rebellion and fighter in a war that was bigger and more important than himself. And saying Dr. Who is defined by the Daleks is kind of laughable and does a disservice to 99% of the rest of the show.
You probably think Kirk is solely defined by Khan (just going by what you're saying) which would mean you don't know much about Kirk's heroism. Again, if you truly believe the rest of the absurdities you said.
It's also curious that the weakly defined Batman (let's face it, he's kinda boring when he's not portrayed as the crazy guy he really is) is constantly overshadowed by his villains, while a stronger character like Spider-Man easily stands apart from them.
Duh! Of course wikis can be edited, that's their whole point. But what a great idea you have here. Every time someone proves you wrong (and from what I've seen that happens a lot) and quotes Wikipedia, Memory Alpha, or any other wiki you just say "it's edited"! At the same time you fail to produce any shred of evidence or source other than "it's implied". Well it's only implied to you because only you heard "teens" instead of "twins".
Any if Wanda is a teen (and clearly she is not) that makes even worst because both Rogers and Stark brought teenagers in battle. At least Batman and Superman went at it alone.
BS. Batman has been around for 77 years. He has been in more comics than any other comic book character (even more than Superman). The best writers have written Batman, Frank Miller, Alan Moore, Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, Jeph Loeb, Chuck Dixon, Dennis O’Neil, Ed Brubaker, Paul Dini, Steve Englehart, Bill Finger, just to name a few. I could go and on. The best artists have drawn Batman. The best American comics and graphic novels of all time are Batman's, The Dark Knight Returns, Year One, The Killing Joke, Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth. Batman has had more graphic novels, movies, novels, cartoons, books, games, TV series and video games than most. If there is one comic book character that's clearly defined (and clearly exciting) that's Batman.
It's funny that you mention Spider-Man because that's a great example of a character that's only defined (and constantly overshadowed) by his villains. Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Sandman, Venom, Lizard, Electro, Rhino, Vulture, Mysterio, Hobgoblin, Carnage, Black Cat, Kingpin, Chameleon, Shocker, Scorpion, Jackal, etc. I could go and on. Without these characters Peter Parker is just a boring high-school kid (or an even more boring adult failed photographer). No wonder Marvel replaced Peter Parker with his archnemesis Doc Ock!
If we are talking about Spider-Man Clone Saga, Heroes Reborn, Spider-Man Sins Past, House of M, Spider-Man One More Day, AvX, Uncanny Avengers, Superior Spider-Man (boy, Marvel really hates SM!) then we should be ashamed.
Or if you only go for that spineless cartoony kiddie unconvincing lame shallow trivial unemotional superficial brainless stuff like Bay's Transformers, Power Rangers and Disney's Marvel movies.
Emotional investment in a film can vary on film to film. I can cry at a lot of "kid's films."
To each their own.
To each their own.
Again I say that I used "twelve" in quotation marks and figuratively. By the way I can just see this line being used in a court of law. "Yes your honor I knew the girl was just 15 but having studied human development, 3 years is a bigger gap than contemporary society would have us believe".
True. For example the first ten minutes of "Up" are absolutely heartbreaking. I wish Marvel's movies had a tenth of that emotion.
Edit: I see Hela was quicker than me.
Again I say that I used "twelve" in quotation marks and figuratively. By the way I can just see this line being used in a court of law. "Yes your honor I knew the girl was just 15 but having studied human development, 3 years is a bigger gap than contemporary society would have us believe".
True. For example the first ten minutes of "Up" are absolutely heartbreaking. I wish Marvel's movies had a tenth of that emotion.
Edit: I see Hela was quicker than me.
The big four are relatively closed off people as characters go (Cap, Tony, Thor. Hulk), but if you honestly think there was no emotion in GotG, Ant-Man or Age of Ultron, then personally I think you must be dead inside.