Herman Munster vs Frankenstein in a fight! Who would win?

[Jayson]

Herman Munster is smarter but he is also a nice guy and might hesitate in the fight which would let the more primitve Frankenstein get the advantage. I wonder though if Herman would be smart enough to use fire to scare Frankenstein but then it occured to me he might also be scarred of fire as well. I'm not sure if they ever established that on the show.

Jason

 

[Dark Gilligan]

Well, since Frankenstein (Victor) is the human doctor and not the monster he created, I'd say Herman could take him easily. Herman was always a bit of a sissy though. The fire angle might actually work.

 

[Praetor]

Herman was pretty explicitly stated to have been a creation of Dr. Frankenstein on the show, if not the original monster with a slightly happier ending than fiction records. In one episode, Grandpa (who was Count Dracula) had been given the original blueprints for Herman by Dr. Frankenstein. He was also shown to be afraid of fire once or twice.

So is this an internal struggle then, or monster versus creator?

 

[Dark Gilligan]

Agreed about Herman and Dr. Frankenstein. It was made pretty clear in the series that Herman was indeed the original creation, though with a much happier disposition. It's interesting that Boris Karloff's interpretation of the character had a child-like quality, which Herman certainly embodied in the extreme. Same guy, different centuries.

Now the match-up I'd really like to see is Herman Munster vs. Lurch.

 

[Praetor]

Where's the 'Lurch groan' smilie when I need it?

And well said regarding Herman vs. Boris Karloff's portrayal. I think 'The Munsters' is a rather underappreciated show.

 

[Christopher]

Now the match-up I'd really like to see is Herman Munster vs. Lurch.

No contest. Lurch.

 

[Checkmate]

I think it's more accurate to say that Count Dracula was based on Grandpa as opposed to Grandpa being Count Dracula. At least within the context of the show. Ditto for the other characters. Count Dracula shares some of the characteristics of Grandpa, but Grandpa was far and away different. He was every bit the mad scientist Dr. Frankenstein was, for instance.

That aside, if you did want to pit Herman Munster against the classic film portrayal of Frankenstein, Herman would probably win simply because he was more intelligent and aware of his surroundings. They were both instinctively afraid of fire, but Herman could overcome it due to said intelligence.

Now if it was Herman vs. the Monster from the actual novel, Herman would be toast. Herman was a bumbling buffoon whereas the Monster had a keen intellect and agenda.

 

[Christopher]

On the subject of whether it's valid to use "Frankenstein" for the monster rather than the creator: it could be argued that the monster is Dr. Frankenstein's son, and therefore inherits the family name.

 

[Praetor]

Now the match-up I'd really like to see is Herman Munster vs. Lurch.

No contest. Lurch.

Lurch would groan and stare, Herman would get scared and run... unless he had one of his occasional tantrums and something fell on Lurch.

I think it's more accurate to say that Count Dracula was based on Grandpa as opposed to Grandpa being Count Dracula. At least within the context of the show. Ditto for the other characters. Count Dracula shares some of the characteristics of Grandpa, but Grandpa was far and away different. He was every bit the mad scientist Dr. Frankenstein was, for instance.

That's technically a more specifically accurate assessment.

 

[Kelso]

Herman Munster is smarter

Have you ever seen the show?

 

[Gojirob]

On one ep, Herman heard from a Frankenstein descendant. The man described Herman as being a later effort, with many failures beforehand, like the grunting Johan, shown in that ep. So ironically, dumb lovable Herman was the new Adam that Frankenstein was trying so hard for. I can see him apologizing to the villagers :

"Now, Folks! I know that some of my older brothers have been not-so-nice fellas. But as for myself, I just have to remind you--you can pick your spare parts, but you can't pick your family."

Head-Of-Mob : He's right. Don't even get me started about my lazy brother Albrecht!

 

[Dark Gilligan]

I think it's more accurate to say that Count Dracula was based on Grandpa as opposed to Grandpa being Count Dracula.

Granda was referred to as Count Dracula by name more than once. Lily even called him that, IIRC.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Herman Munster is smarter but he is also a nice guy and might hesitate in the fight which would let the more primitve Frankenstein get the advantage. I wonder though if Herman would be smart enough to use fire to scare Frankenstein but then it occured to me he might also be scarred of fire as well. I'm not sure if they ever established that on the show.

Jason

All I know, Jayson, is that you are truly the post-modern Prometheus.

 

[Checkmate]

I think it's more accurate to say that Count Dracula was based on Grandpa as opposed to Grandpa being Count Dracula.

Granda was referred to as Count Dracula by name more than once. Lily even called him that, IIRC.

So? Herman was Frankenstein's monster, too, but that doesn't mean they were the characters portrayed in the novels. Inspiration for them within context of the show's universe, undoubtedly, but not the actual characters put to ink. Unless you can really delude yourself into thinking that Grandpa shares any more than a superficial resemblance to the Count Dracula found in the novel.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Herman if he has time to prepare.

 

[Dark Gilligan]

I think it's more accurate to say that Count Dracula was based on Grandpa as opposed to Grandpa being Count Dracula.

Granda was referred to as Count Dracula by name more than once. Lily even called him that, IIRC.

So? Herman was Frankenstein's monster, too, but that doesn't mean they were the characters portrayed in the novels. Inspiration for them within context of the show's universe, undoubtedly, but not the actual characters put to ink. Unless you can really delude yourself into thinking that Grandpa shares any more than a superficial resemblance to the Count Dracula found in the novel.

What are you talking about? We weren't discussing the novels. Of course the Munster interpretations weren't based on those. If anything the Munsters grew out of the old Universal monster films of the '30s and '40s. Not coincidentally, Universal produced the Munsters as well since they owned the characters. One can easily make a case that Grandpa and the Dracula who battled Abbott and Costello were one and the same guy.

 

[Gojirob]

Granda was referred to as Count Dracula by name more than once. Lily even called him that, IIRC.

So? Herman was Frankenstein's monster, too, but that doesn't mean they were the characters portrayed in the novels. Inspiration for them within context of the show's universe, undoubtedly, but not the actual characters put to ink. Unless you can really delude yourself into thinking that Grandpa shares any more than a superficial resemblance to the Count Dracula found in the novel.

What are you talking about? We weren't discussing the novels. Of course the Munster interpretations weren't based on those. If anything the Munsters grew out of the old Universal monster films of the '30s and '40s. Not coincidentally, Universal produced the Munsters as well since they owned the characters. One can easily make a case that Grandpa and the Dracula who battled Abbott and Costello were one and the same guy.

"Granpa, were you Vlad The Impaler?"

"Of course."

"How could you be that cruel?"

"What, cruel? Back then, if you didn't impale your enemies, their families got insulted! What, my husband isn't good enough for your pikes?"

 

[TheArsenal]

Herman. He appeared massively stronger than any of the other portrayals I saw onscreen. Near super human. He would probably tear off the original Frankenstein's Monster's arms quite by accident while trying to shake hands or the like.

 

[Dark Gilligan]

^^ Herman was shown to be superhumanly strong, yes, and not at all in control of his strength.

 

[Checkmate]

What are you talking about? We weren't discussing the novels. Of course the Munster interpretations weren't based on those. If anything the Munsters grew out of the old Universal monster films of the '30s and '40s. Not coincidentally, Universal produced the Munsters as well since they owned the characters. One can easily make a case that Grandpa and the Dracula who battled Abbott and Costello were one and the same guy.

What are you talking about?

Go back and read the posts you reply to, including the ones they reference. If you don't know what you're talking about when you're replying to something, you're the ignorant fool, not the person you're trying to 'correct.'