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Greg Weisman To Produce Young Justice Animated Series

Any character named like an Amazon though, should in fact have been an Amazon though.

Artemis is not the name of an Amazon, it's the name of the Greek goddess of the hunt, the counterpart to the Roman Diana. (Which is why the "Amazon" who replaced Diana as Wonder Woman was named Artemis by the comic-book writers who created her.) It's the ideal name for a female archer character, because the goddess Artemis (or Diana) was traditionally depicted as hunting with a bow.
 
Any character named like an Amazon though, should in fact have been an Amazon though.

Artemis is not the name of an Amazon, it's the name of the Greek goddess of the hunt, the counterpart to the Roman Diana. (Which is why the "Amazon" who replaced Diana as Wonder Woman was named Artemis by the comic-book writers who created her.) It's the ideal name for a female archer character, because the goddess Artemis (or Diana) was traditionally depicted as hunting with a bow.

Artemis is the name of an amazon (In DC Comics). It's also the name of a Greek Goddess... who was worshiped in all her forms by the Amazons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_of_Bana-Mighdall

The Artemis I was referring to was one of the Egyptian Amazons... (But I think you knew that based on what you said later about her replacing Diana, so I don't get why you told us she wasn't an Amazon...)

Every other hero on the team is an apprentice/side-kick to a member of the JL, and frankly Ollie wasn't much of a fan of her mother (mostly as a would be crime-fighter).
Of course, that's if we're even still talking about "Arrowette" and not a totally new character named Artemis.

If "Artemis" is supposed to be a nod to Wonder Woman..., then they should of just used Cassie.

I'd rather have Mia. But then they'd have to deal with HIV on a kid's cartoon... Although, if the Studio would allow it, I'm sure Greg Weisman could write it.
 
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Of course, that's if we're even still talking about "Arrowette" and not a totally new character named Artemis.
Her VA originally referred to the character as Arrowette on her blog, so it seems they just changed the name.
If "Artemis" is supposed to be a nod to Wonder Woman..., then they should of just used Cassie.
The Wonder Woman mythos seemingly isn't available for such things (similarly, no Donna on Teen Titans, no Diana anywhere unless she's a star).
 
I'm not very familiar with the source material but I'm a bit disappointed that they are analogues of such familiar DC stalwarts.

Those "analogues" have been around for many many years in one form or another.

Where has Superboy arrived from? The late 1990s looking at his clothes...

Well, they can't use the Superboy costumes because of the lawsuit stuff. Also way he's not referred to as Superboy.

Artemis, should of been Cassie Sandsmark (And if it is, her name should be Wonder Girl)

And Arrowette (if Cissie is in this) should instead be Speedy (Mia Dearden of course)
Er, Artemis is Arrowette (just renamed).

I think that was my point.

I always preffered Speedy over Arrowette (whatever she's called)...Maybe it's the Green Costume of hers, it's making me think Green Arrow sidekick, and Mia always comes to mind over anyone else.

Funny you should mention that, since Arrowette/Artemis likely as not is GA's illegitimate daughter.

The Wonder Woman mythos seemingly isn't available for such things (similarly, no Donna on Teen Titans, no Diana anywhere unless she's a star).

That sucks! Someone at Legal screwed the pooch letting THAT loophole get by him...
 
I'm not very familiar with the source material but I'm a bit disappointed that they are analogues of such familiar DC stalwarts.

Those "analogues" have been around for many many years in one form or another.

Where has Superboy arrived from? The late 1990s looking at his clothes...

Well, they can't use the Superboy costumes because of the lawsuit stuff. Also way he's not referred to as Superboy.

I think that was my point.

I always preffered Speedy over Arrowette (whatever she's called)...Maybe it's the Green Costume of hers, it's making me think Green Arrow sidekick, and Mia always comes to mind over anyone else.

Funny you should mention that, since Arrowette/Artemis likely as not is GA's illegitimate daughter.

You have a very good point, and of course we know of the possibility, but I'm still not quite sure that Ollie does one way or the other. I can't remember if he ever suspected or not. Regardless, I don't think he'd would want her in costume and crime fighting, especially after how things went down with her mom.

But, if they go that route... it would be very Superman Returns. Yea! illegitimate Father Figure!

The Wonder Woman mythos seemingly isn't available for such things (similarly, no Donna on Teen Titans, no Diana anywhere unless she's a star).

That sucks! Someone at Legal screwed the pooch letting THAT loophole get by him...

Agreed.
 
Where has Superboy arrived from? The late 1990s looking at his clothes...
Well, they can't use the Superboy costumes because of the lawsuit stuff. Also way he's not referred to as Superboy.[/quote]
DC has been able to use the Superboy name for the past two years now. (And there's some question as to whether or not the lawsuit would have inhibited them from using Connor anyway, since he's really really far afield from the Siegel/Schuster Superboy.) I miss Connor's 90s duds; I don't like the t-shirt/jeans combo at all.

That said, I don't know if DC's ability to use the name Superboy translates into licensees being able to use the name.
 
I'm not very familiar with the source material but I'm a bit disappointed that they are analogues of such familiar DC stalwarts.

Those "analogues" have been around for many many years in one form or another.

Exactly. I'd prefer something not so familiar.

Ok.

The way you said that made me think that you were saying that they'd just recently decided to make "teen" versions of the iconic characters or something...
 
^^ Rereading my initial statement, I can see that, I'm at least familiar enough to know it's nothing new, I just didn't know if that was the norm for the Young Justice group. But yeah, I meant to say I wanted to see something less familiar.
 
Any character named like an Amazon though, should in fact have been an Amazon though.

Artemis is not the name of an Amazon, it's the name of the Greek goddess of the hunt, the counterpart to the Roman Diana. (Which is why the "Amazon" who replaced Diana as Wonder Woman was named Artemis by the comic-book writers who created her.) It's the ideal name for a female archer character, because the goddess Artemis (or Diana) was traditionally depicted as hunting with a bow.

Artemis is the name of an amazon (In DC Comics). It's also the name of a Greek Goddess... who was worshiped in all her forms by the Amazons.

I know perfectly well who Artemis of the Bana-Mighdall is. I explicitly referred to her in the paragraph you just quoted, as well as in an earlier post in this thread. My point is that that character was created only 16 years ago, while the goddess Artemis has been part of Western mythology for thousands of years. Therefore, there is far, far more precedent for the Greek-goddess usage of the name. Obviously the developers of this show called this character Artemis in reference to the ancient mythology, which is an entirely valid and proper use of the name. The use of that name within recent DC Comics history to refer to an Amazon is barely a blip on the radar in comparison to those millennia of cultural precedent, and thus it's invalid to argue that that should be the "preferred" usage of the name Artemis.


(But I think you knew that based on what you said later about her replacing Diana, so I don't get why you told us she wasn't an Amazon...)

That's not what I said. I said "Artemis is not the name of an Amazon." I meant that, in general, in its original and historical usage, the name Artemis is a reference to a Greek deity. It is not, in and of itself, an "Amazon name." Of course, in reality there are no "Amazon names," since the Amazons never existed outside of Greek mythology, and even there they have Greek names despite being portrayed as a foreign tribe. Only a couple of dozen Amazon names are recorded in Greek myth, and "Artemis" is not one of them. DC Comics' use of Artemis as an "Amazon name" is just as artificial as their use of Diana as such a name.


Of course, that's if we're even still talking about "Arrowette" and not a totally new character named Artemis.

As has already been stated, she is the same character under a different (and far less idiotic) name.

If "Artemis" is supposed to be a nod to Wonder Woman..., then they should of just used Cassie.

Once again: The name Artemis was attached to an ancient goddess of the hunt, symbolized by her use of a bow and arrow, for THOUSANDS OF YEARS before anyone thought to attach it to Wonder Woman. This character is a female archer, therefore it should be self-evident that she's named in honor of the Greek goddess.
 
In one of the little ironies of recursive adaptation, Miss Martian was more or less entirely based off of the 2003 Teen Titans cartoon version of Starfire, and she's now being animated.
 
Oh, cool. I liked the TV version of Starfire. Although it wouldn't be the same without Hynden Walch's sweet, poignant voice.

So is Miss Martian, like, J'onn J'onnz's Supergirl? A hitherto-unknown second survivor of his dead planet?
 
So is Miss Martian, like, J'onn J'onnz's Supergirl? A hitherto-unknown second survivor of his dead planet?
She presents herself as that initially, but the team discovers eventually that she's actually a White Martian, the second race of Martians who exterminated J'onn's Green Martians. M'gann M'orzz (Megan Morse) is seemingly the only White Martian who's not totally evil, and she poses as a Green Martian because she doesn't want to be like the rest of her people (and because, obviously, it makes life on Earth a lot easier).
 
Okay, and do any Martians have names that don't sound almost exactly like Anglo-Saxon human names...? ;)
Sure. Cay'an. If you can come up with an Anglo-Saxon name that resembles, Christopher, I'd like to hear it. :)

(I admit, I had to look it up on Wiki to confirm the spelling; I couldn't remember off-hand where the apostrophe went.)

Also, Ma'alefa'ak, which comes from "malefic." Latin, not Anglo-Saxon.
 
Artemis is not the name of an Amazon, it's the name of the Greek goddess of the hunt, the counterpart to the Roman Diana. (Which is why the "Amazon" who replaced Diana as Wonder Woman was named Artemis by the comic-book writers who created her.) It's the ideal name for a female archer character, because the goddess Artemis (or Diana) was traditionally depicted as hunting with a bow.

Artemis is the name of an amazon (In DC Comics). It's also the name of a Greek Goddess... who was worshiped in all her forms by the Amazons.

I know perfectly well who Artemis of the Bana-Mighdall is. I explicitly referred to her in the paragraph you just quoted, as well as in an earlier post in this thread. My point is that that character was created only 16 years ago, while the goddess Artemis has been part of Western mythology for thousands of years. Therefore, there is far, far more precedent for the Greek-goddess usage of the name. Obviously the developers of this show called this character Artemis in reference to the ancient mythology, which is an entirely valid and proper use of the name. The use of that name within recent DC Comics history to refer to an Amazon is barely a blip on the radar in comparison to those millennia of cultural precedent, and thus it's invalid to argue that that should be the "preferred" usage of the name Artemis.




That's not what I said. I said "Artemis is not the name of an Amazon." I meant that, in general, in its original and historical usage, the name Artemis is a reference to a Greek deity. It is not, in and of itself, an "Amazon name." Of course, in reality there are no "Amazon names," since the Amazons never existed outside of Greek mythology, and even there they have Greek names despite being portrayed as a foreign tribe. Only a couple of dozen Amazon names are recorded in Greek myth, and "Artemis" is not one of them. DC Comics' use of Artemis as an "Amazon name" is just as artificial as their use of Diana as such a name.


Of course, that's if we're even still talking about "Arrowette" and not a totally new character named Artemis.
As has already been stated, she is the same character under a different (and far less idiotic) name.

If "Artemis" is supposed to be a nod to Wonder Woman..., then they should of just used Cassie.
Once again: The name Artemis was attached to an ancient goddess of the hunt, symbolized by her use of a bow and arrow, for THOUSANDS OF YEARS before anyone thought to attach it to Wonder Woman. This character is a female archer, therefore it should be self-evident that she's named in honor of the Greek goddess.

Okay... Calm down.

I was approaching this as a discussion of an animated TV show based on a comic book series, specifically focusing on the characters involved and why they should or should not have been included (and for various reasons) based on the comics as source material.

You seem to of gone farther back, and brought in concepts of mythology which inspired the naming and certain background elements of various characters to justify why my opinion of "Artemis" being an amazonian name isn't "really" an Amazonian name at all (in the real world). That it's instead artificial, and therefore somehow inaccurate...

The character has been around for 16 years, but I've only been reading comics for about 20 years, maybe less.

So, maybe you can at least understand why I'd say that "Artemis" is an Amazonian name, since she's been an Amazonian in the DC Comics universe (the only material I was originally referencing) for more than 3/4ths of the total time I've been reading comics.

After a while it just kind of sinks in.

I'm at least glad that you knew of the character I was talking about, it wasn't clear to me based on what you'd said before. (Which is why I mentioned it)

Besides, I don't have a problem with an archer character named Artemis, it just makes me think DC Amazon in this context, before I think Bow Hunter, which is what I was talking about in the first place, before we went on a namesake adventure through Greek mythology.

In some ways, I'd rather them just have a young amazonian Artemis on the team, since they can't use any direct WW references. Especially so since they're using Miss Martian (who was a TT, and not a member of YJ, and a black Aqualad when the YJ Lagoon Boy was a more Creature from the Black Lagoon type, of course I think he's in a coma now anyways.

Eh, I don't know.

I'm willing to give Weisman his due, and just wait and see at this point.

I am looking forward to seeing Miss Martian get some spotlight for a change.
 
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