Grand Negus Rom??

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Is it just me or did the Grand Negus make Rom the next Negus just to please Moogie I know he did. He was a compentent engineer, and he did design the self-replicating mines that kept the rest of the Dominion Fleet in the GQ, but just how qualified was he to become the next Grand Negus.

I love DS-9, but the last season, did surprise me. How easy Dukat could fool Winn, Bashir and Miles "going into Sloans Brain" and making Rom the Negus, it really was not the center piece of the final season, however, it was part of the story arc, did it bug you like it did me...

Resistance is Futile

 

[jamestyler]

It was shown Ishka had a hand in it, especially with the line with Zek doubting Rom... only for her to get her way.

While it was obvious he was't qualified to run an interstellar government, he was the only Ferengi who thought with his heart before his wallet, which is what Zek (via Ishka) wanted for the new face of the Ferengi Alliance.

I wasn't the biggest fan of going into Sloans mind, though... but for Wynn, she believed the prophets were sending her a guide. Her faith would let he follow Dukats lead, nothing else would matter.

 

[DeafPoet]

Is it just me or did the Grand Negus make Rom the next Negus just to please Moogie I know he did. He was a compentent engineer, and he did design the self-replicating mines that kept the rest of the Dominion Fleet in the GQ, but just how qualified was he to become the next Grand Negus.

I love DS-9, but the last season, did surprise me. How easy Dukat could fool Winn, Bashir and Miles "going into Sloans Brain" and making Rom the Negus, it really was not the center piece of the final season, however, it was part of the story arc, did it bug you like it did me...

Resistance is Futile

Yeah, it's implied that it was pretty much all Ishka's idea. I think Zek just wanted to toddle off to Risa and get down to the business of some serious hedonism. Which is pretty in-character for him I think.

As for Winn and Dukat, I think the point was that she was so easily fooled. Not by his disguise, per se, but by her own blinding ambition. She was ready to believe whatever it took to gain her the power she so desperately craved.

And yeah, going into Sloan's mind was kind of a hokey plot idea but the point of the episode was they had to cure Odo somehow and the writers wanted to deliver a final Bashir/O'Brien episode. And I think it worked wonderfully. If you can suspend your disbelief over the whole mind probe thing, it offers lots of opportunity to put the guys in situations where they exchange humorous dialogue over how bewildering their situation is. I'm glad they took an episode out of the Final Chapter and devoted it to these guys, whose relationship was one of the best things about DS9.

 

[jamestyler]

If you can suspend your disbelief over the whole mind probe thing, it offers lots of opportunity to put the guys in situations where they exchange humorous dialogue over how bewildering their situation is. I'm glad they took an episode out of the Final Chapter and devoted it to these guys, whose relationship was one of the best things about DS9.

Despite not being keen on the idea of it, I do love their exchange when they think they're dying.

I quite liked the idea of hinting at Sloan's pre-Section 31 life. It could easily be thrown away as just a part of his mind reaching out to Bashir, or his toying with the duo - but I liked the idea of him having had a normal life and that he believed in 31 so strongly that he'd leave them behind.

 

[Timo]

At that point, I was so disillusioned about this guy's ability to tell the truth that it began to look like Section 31 didn't really exist...

I mean, it could all easily have been a figment of the imagination of a mentally unstable agent or former agent of the perfectly regular and legal Starfleet Intelligence. Sloan could have been the reverse of Garak: an enigma who didn't have a shady past or a dark flip side, but lied and obfuscated in order to suggest that he did.

Overall, I was rather impressed by the fact that the writers managed to tie so many loose ends, without having a clear plan on how to do it at the beginning of the season yet. It was too bad they did nothing with Bajor's UFP membership, though. It would have been nice to see Sisko's mission finished in that respect - or, for that matter, to see Bajor downright reject the idea.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ezri II]

It was weird, RON that guy.

In fairness, RON was the only person that would keep with the reforms and even add more. Quark would turn them back and any other new leader would as well. Anyway, with the reforms they could join the federation in 20 years.

 

[Herbert1]

Zek was pretty feeble-minded at that point. I believe Ishka made the decision to appoint Rom as Zek's successor and she was running the Ferengi Alliance at that point. Zek just didn't object as not to displease Ishka.

But I don't understand why Ishka believed that Rom could handle being Grand Nagus or retain the position. Rom is a warm-hearted character. I don't believe that he would have been strong enough to defend Zek's reforms, a major change in Ferengi values, or be a powerful orator to convince the Ferengi people to continue the reforms and chose morality over profit. I just see him being quickly ousted in a coup.

 

[SoM]

But I don't understand why Ishka believed that Rom could handle being Grand Nagus or retain the position. Rom is a warm-hearted character. I don't believe that he would have been strong enough to defend Zek's reforms, a major change in Ferengi values, or be a powerful orator to convince the Ferengi people to continue the reforms and chose morality over profit. I just see him being quickly ousted in a coup.

More likely, I think, that the "Congress of Economic Advisers" Ishka also established would - in fairly short order - quickly and simply manipulate Rom into ceding all actual power to them, with him as a figurehead. They would then go about whittling down the membership...

Remember Zek's "advice" to his son in The Nagus about what a stupid idea coups were: "you don't grab power. You accumulate it, quietly, without anyone noticing", after all.

 

[Ezri II]

Zek was pretty feeble-minded at that point. I believe Ishka made the decision to appoint Rom as Zek's successor and she was running the Ferengi Alliance at that point. Zek just didn't object as not to displease Ishka.

But I don't understand why Ishka believed that Rom could handle being Grand Nagus or retain the position. Rom is a warm-hearted character. I don't believe that he would have been strong enough to defend Zek's reforms, a major change in Ferengi values, or be a powerful orator to convince the Ferengi people to continue the reforms and chose morality over profit. I just see him being quickly ousted in a coup.

That is up to the writters. Anyway, Quark only talked about only a single Grand Nagus was removed. Reason, the money people lost money after the collapse of the Ferengi stock market.

Rom still wants to make money. Anyway, if people are still making money and now with the Ferengi women in the work force and purchasing stuff I just do not see Ferengi going back.

 

[Timo]

Yeah, I'm sure the Ferengi have at least these two Rules of Acquisition somewhere down the line:

"Tradition is good for business."
"Change is good for business."

They'd simply make the most of what they are handed.

And odds are, the average Ferengi loves a seemingly weak and feeble-minded Grand Nagus, as such as setup opens new business opportunities. Zek probably fostered the impression of being senile and incompetent, in order to deceive his opponents. So Rom could be incompetent for real, and little or nothing would go differently: people would scheme around him like they always do, and run the Alliance, even if this particular Nagus wouldn't quietly skim the best profits...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Yeah, I'm sure the Ferengi have at least these two Rules of Acquisition somewhere down the line:

"Tradition is good for business."
"Change is good for business."

They'd simply make the most of what they are handed.

And odds are, the average Ferengi loves a seemingly weak and feeble-minded Grand Nagus, as such as setup opens new business opportunities. Zek probably fostered the impression of being senile and incompetent, in order to deceive his opponents. So Rom could be incompetent for real, and little or nothing would go differently: people would scheme around him like they always do, and run the Alliance, even if this particular Nagus wouldn't quietly skim the best profits...

Timo Saloniemi

Hey, that is very reassuring! Thank you.

It always bugged me to see Rom as Grand Nagus.

 

[Ezri II]

It always bugged me to see Rom as Grand Nagus.

It was strange to see Rom to become the Grand Nagus. Still, we only had to deal with the Grand Nagus when he was on Deep Space 9 and not when he was in power on his home world.

We only understood the Grand Nagus because he was rich and with his office he was going to be richer. Hey it is nice to be rich and be in a place you can become richer. But, it takes less skill to become super rich then to run a goverment. Who knows, we really not sure how powerful the Grand Nagus really is if you remove the money.

 

[indranee]

I thought it was more to shut out Quark and annoy the hell outta him.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

It was weird, RON that guy.

In fairness, RON was the only person that would keep with the reforms and even add more. Quark would turn them back and any other new leader would as well. Anyway, with the reforms they could join the federation in 20 years.

Who's RON?

CAPSLOCK!HARRY'S best mate.

Sorry, bad joke day.

 

[Ezri II]

It was weird, RON that guy.

In fairness, RON was the only person that would keep with the reforms and even add more. Quark would turn them back and any other new leader would as well. Anyway, with the reforms they could join the federation in 20 years.

Who's RON?

CAPSLOCK!HARRY'S best mate.

Sorry, bad joke day.

No it was RON HOWARD

 

[HRHTheKING]

Rom was the logical choice, due to his compassionate nature and the fact he fully comprehended the need for social change and progressive policies.





Plus, remember what Zek said:

"I always liked yewwwwwww ROMMMMMM!!! Ahee hee hee hee hee hee!!!!!!"

 

[Sci]

Zek was pretty feeble-minded at that point. I believe Ishka made the decision to appoint Rom as Zek's successor and she was running the Ferengi Alliance at that point. Zek just didn't object as not to displease Ishka.

But I don't understand why Ishka believed that Rom could handle being Grand Nagus or retain the position. Rom is a warm-hearted character. I don't believe that he would have been strong enough to defend Zek's reforms, a major change in Ferengi values, or be a powerful orator to convince the Ferengi people to continue the reforms and chose morality over profit. I just see him being quickly ousted in a coup.

You would enjoy the novel Ferenginar: Satisfaction is Not Guaranteed by Keith R.A. DeCandido from Worlds of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Volume III.

 

[mythme]

Does Rom get his own Hupyrian servant too?

 

[Herbert1]

You would enjoy the novel Ferenginar: Satisfaction is Not Guaranteed by Keith R.A. DeCandido from Worlds of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Volume III.

Thank you for the recommendation.

 

[Ezri II]

Since Leeta married to ROM does she have to stay at home walking around in the nude?