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Geordi is not really not that likeable of a character and it's really too bad

S1 Geordi was great. Fun, charismatic, likeable, with a young-cool factor that disappeared almost IMMEDIATELY after the transfer to engineering. S1 Geordi didn't really have ANY nerd-factor.

He should have been a continuing bridge member; O'Brien should have been made the new Chief Engineer. Shit, he was already called CHIEF. Of course what do i know - in my reimaginings, not only would he be the chief engineer, but Pulaski would have been the doctor all 7 seasons. Even the same dialogue would sound better coming from her. lol. I think Bev is pretty unlikeable as well.
I can't believe there's anyone else who feels this way! I always wanted to see where Geordi would have ended up if he stayed in the command division. He demonstrated great command instincts and style in "The Arsenal of Freedom." He encouraged his officers to do their best and they did because he respected and knew them.

I feel that Geordi became less likable/fun after moving to the office of CE and I think Burton was minimized by being in Engineering instead of on the bridge. Burton brought a warmth and energy to the bridge that was missing without him there. Wes Crusher was a poor replacement.

As for Pulaski, I adored her from her first appearance. A lot of that has to do with the fact that TOS is my favorite Trek and that Diana Muldaur is an excellent actor, but the character had a lot of potential. I liked that she openly disagreed with Picard and didn't bow and scrape before him like everyone else. I also never liked Beverly Crusher; she's a Valium in a Starfleet uniform.

There's a lot of TOS in the those first two seasons of TNG, and I prefer that to the stodgy and boring TNG of later seasons. A lot of fans wrongly criticize Roddenberry for the "perfect 24th century humans," but it was Berman who took that to extremes once Roddenberry was gone.
 
Beverly though I never cared for. Pulaski was a huge improvement (I know, not a popular opinion!) especially after they got her over the early S2 Data stuff. She'd have been fun to keep around for the rest of the series and watch her personality change as she became more familiar with the crew.

I wonder just how much of 24th century Federation society might still have some dismissive attitudes toward people they perceive as having a disability. And as we saw in Season 1, that includes Geordi himself, as it's revealed that one of the things he wants most is to be able to see as other humans see.

I liked the friendship he had with Tasha. Who knows where that might have gone if she hadn't been written off the show.


Scotty might disagree on that last point. Geordi was incredibly disrespectful toward him.


I liked Pulaski. She was a breath of fresh air, regardless of the "McCoyisms" she was given (antipathy toward transporters, seeing Data as an ambulatory machine, rather than as a person, etc.). There's a fan theory that she's actually McCoy's great-granddaughter, so that would explain a lot of her character. Grow up with a beloved, sometimes-curmudgeonly country doctor, and some traits and attitudes might rub off.

But on the topic of Geordi... he wasn't as rude or dismissive of people as Riker and Picard, so I'll give him that. It was interesting to see him play Watson to Data's Holmes on the holodeck. But holy crap, I don't blame Leah Brahms at all for being outraged at the flirty stuff the fake-Leah got into with Geordi. He should have deleted that after it wasn't needed, as apparently there is a serious social taboo against recreating real people on the holodeck without their permission - as they repeatedly told Barclay.

That's actually one of the first times I noticed Geordi being a prick - he was about to walk out on Data and quit the game and was taking it all really personally. Geordi the engineer is a completely different character the Geordi the Cool Blind Pilot. I don't see S1 Geordi having problems with the ladies, either.

Geordi's treatment of Scotty, and the movie Generations, soured me on TNG for decades. I have discovered a new appreciation for the first two seasons recently (i started a rewatch after Picard S3 got me over most of my hate.)

I've always said that in my opinion / reimaginings, she would be McCoy's great / granddaughter and the reason for his Farpoint cameo. It really does complete her character.

I can't believe there's anyone else who feels this way! I always wanted to see where Geordi would have ended up if he stayed in the command division. He demonstrated great command instincts and style in "The Arsenal of Freedom." He encouraged his officers to do their best and they did because he respected and knew them.

I feel that Geordi became less likable/fun after moving to the office of CE and I think Burton was minimized by being in Engineering instead of on the bridge. Burton brought a warmth and energy to the bridge that was missing without him there. Wes Crusher was a poor replacement.

As for Pulaski, I adored her from her first appearance. A lot of that has to do with the fact that TOS is my favorite Trek and that Diana Muldaur is an excellent actor, but the character had a lot of potential. I liked that she openly disagreed with Picard and didn't bow and scrape before him like everyone else. I also never liked Beverly Crusher; she's a Valium in a Starfleet uniform.

There's a lot of TOS in the those first two seasons of TNG, and I prefer that to the stodgy and boring TNG of later seasons. A lot of fans wrongly criticize Roddenberry for the "perfect 24th century humans," but it was Berman who took that to extremes once Roddenberry was gone.

TNG is downhill after S3. S1 has the more professional, people-who-work-together vibe of TOS, where they all don't know or even necessarily like each other, and are going to do their jobs. Pulaski could stand up to Picard, relieve him if necessary, with no personal connection getting in the way. Her recognizing and coming to appreciate Data is one of the greatest bits of character growth in the series. Wes is better without his mommy around, and Pulaski's connection to Riker's dad, her beginning friendship with Worf, curiosity about alien cultures and rituals, master surgeon status (as she had to save Picard), everything with Data, and the possible tie-in to McCoy, make her an amazingly better character. Crusher often comes across as condescending and petty, and I can imagine even identical bits of dialogue sounding better coming from Pulaski. One of the biggest wastes of the show, IMO. (*edit, bev couldn't even use pulaski's technique properly in who watches the watchers. lol.) i was honestly hoping that she was going to be one of the DSCS05 24th century scientists.

Geordi is just so much better in S1, and yes, Arsenal of Freedom is a great episode for him. Another great Geordi episode, where he's stuck with the Romulan, could have still happened from his bridge post. I don't buy that the first season character was even skilled or smart enough to become CHIEF engineer. I don't think the entire switch was very well thought out. He and Data as buddies at the helm-nav-ops consoles was a great dynamic and should have been continued. Wes could have taken up a mentorship with O'Brien in engineering, or with Pulaski in sickbay, having found his mother's calling.

at least the first couple seasons had sci fi plots and actual adventures and not just politics and moral debating from a conference room, courtroom or holodeck. sigh. as a kid, i never made the connections between TOS and early TNG, but man the thru-line is very apparent.

even early TNG had better camera angles and movements with the models, imo. and the music is just wonderful.
 
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I've always said that in my opinion / reimaginings, she would be McCoy's great / granddaughter and the reason for his Farpoint cameo. It really does complete her character.
That would have been perfect, McCoy coming aboard not just for a courtesy tour, but also to see his great-granddaughter off.
 
That would have been perfect, McCoy coming aboard not just for a courtesy tour, but also to see his great-granddaughter off.

and then all of the complaints about her being a bones retread would have gone right out the window. it would have been a feature, not a bug. she would have instantly been a beloved fan favorite.
 
Scotty might disagree on that last point. Geordi was incredibly disrespectful toward him.
Always read that as sheer irritation. Scotty is eighty years behind the times, hindering a person that's under time pressure to complete an analysis, not taking any subtler hints and indications that perhaps Geordi is knowing what he is doing in his own engine room as a chief engineer and he (Scotty) hasn't got a clue because so many things have changed, and to top it off he offers advice that may well have sounded like lying or cheating in Geordi's ears. (Telling the captain something will take longer than it actually will so you can later come across as a miracle worker).

So, finally, he tells him the truth - that he's in the way. Bluntly, yes. Painful, yes. Disrespectful? Perhaps, but Scotty certainly wasn't taking any subtler clues. Probably because he so desparately wanted to be useful, but still. In fact, I think you could even go as far as to say the disrespect started from Scotty's side, him being a legend of engineering notwithstanding - not trusting Geordi was well capable of running his own engine room.

At least, that's how I read the situation. I can understand other views might differ.
 
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^I agree. Of course, that was the very point of the episode. Scotty had to learn to accept that someone generations younger than him could be a capable engineer in his own right and be trusted to run the engine room. Geordi had to learn to appreciate how good the man was when it came to systems he did know, and come to the insight that he still could learn lots from Scotty both in terms of, well, envisioning 'crazy solutions' and in terms of in-depth design knowledge of some of the more mundane systems he probably always had taken for granted. Simply because Scotty had helped design them and they probably were a lot 'closer to the surface' back in his day as well.

They said goodbye respecting each other.
 
S1 Geordi was great. Fun, charismatic, likeable, with a young-cool factor that disappeared almost IMMEDIATELY after the transfer to engineering. S1 Geordi didn't really have ANY nerd-factor.

He should have been a continuing bridge member; O'Brien should have been made the new Chief Engineer. Shit, he was already called CHIEF. Of course what do i know - in my reimaginings, not only would he be the chief engineer, but Pulaski would have been the doctor all 7 seasons. Even the same dialogue would sound better coming from her. lol. I think Bev is pretty unlikeable as well.
Colm Meany was only in a couple of S1 episodes, so it may not have occured to the production to move him. In S1 Worf didn't really have a job, I always thought making him the Chief Engineer would have been interesting, because that would have played against the Klingon Warrior type. Either way, they probably should have added another full-time cast member after Crosby's departure.

I feel that Geordi became less likable/fun after moving to the office of CE and I think Burton was minimized by being in Engineering instead of on the bridge. Burton brought a warmth and energy to the bridge that was missing without him there. Wes Crusher was a poor replacement.

Wes could have taken up a mentorship with O'Brien in engineering, or with Pulaski in sickbay, having found his mother's calling.

Agree on both of these points. I've always felt that Wes should have been down in engineering, since it was pretty well established in S1 that he was a technical wizkid. It certainly made more sense than having him drive the ship. What's funny is Burton and Stewart were the highest paid actors on TNG by a considerable margin, you would think the production would have kept him on the bridge to get more value for his salary.
 
Beverly though I never cared for. Pulaski was a huge improvement (I know, not a popular opinion!) especially after they got her over the early S2 Data stuff. She'd have been fun to keep around for the rest of the series and watch her personality change as she became more familiar with the crew.

I've always been a Pulaski fan, but it's on the most recent rewatch that I really saw how much she elevated the acting level of the cast. She felt up there with Patrick Stewart. She had presence. She adapted well to each character (I love the tea scene with Worf).

When Beverly comes back it was just simpering about Wesley and no clout.

I am fond of Beverly and after a while she just feels like she fits again. But she blends in more with the ensemble, rather than elevating it like Muldaur did.
 
Seems to me like Geordi just was prone to being thrown wildly out of character when the plot demanded it. His less than friendly treatment of Scotty, his downright disturbing actions toward Leah, his initial unpleasantness toward Barclay... that's not typical of him. Certainly not the same person who could deal with Data's oddities, bring out Hugh's individuality, or even have a semi-friendly conversation with Edward Jellico.

We didn't really see this in other characters (in this series anyway, don't get me started on Harry Kim's "spoiled child" moments). Picard was generally Picard, Riker's softer side was kind of limited to romantic moments, and Deanna generally only went into "icy b****" mode when it was situationally appropriate. There was Data and his emotion chip, but you almost expect that: any being dealing with an unprecedented influx of emotions would struggle.
 
I don't get it, Scotty and La Forge worked their shit out at the end of the episode and left as mates. Why are fans still holding a grudge?
Because it's Scotty.

Taking umbrage on behalf of a fictional character is common. Any disrespect is a slight on all of Scotty's hard work.

Or something.

I didn't enjoy Relics for a lot of other reasons, but them working it out wasn't one of them.
 
Because it's Scotty.

Taking umbrage on behalf of a fictional character is common. Any disrespect is a slight on all of Scotty's hard work.

Or something.

I didn't enjoy Relics for a lot of other reasons, but them working it out wasn't one of them.
I thought it was fun seeing their different styles... Scotty almost went apoplectic when he found out Geordi actually told Picard the truth about how long a given task would take.
 
That's actually one of the first times I noticed Geordi being a prick - he was about to walk out on Data and quit the game and was taking it all really personally. Geordi the engineer is a completely different character the Geordi the Cool Blind Pilot.

Fair point!

I don't see S1 Geordi having problems with the ladies, either.

Not sure either way, but I don't recall him hitting on anyone in the way Riker was?


Geordi's treatment of Scotty, and the movie Generations, soured me on TNG for decades. I have discovered a new appreciation for the first two seasons recently (i started a rewatch after Picard S3 got me over most of my hate.)

PIC season 3 I want to rewatch, it was really good and most nitpicks I had weren't taking me out of it and few existed...

TNG Seasons 1 and 2 are underrated, especially 2. IMHO, of course.

Geordi's ageism against Scotty felt as contrived as a lot of season 5-7's stories were...

GEN was a misguided and rushed mess with a couple great moments...

TNG is downhill after S3.

I think I know why, but I'll wait until I read there..

S1 has the more professional, people-who-work-together vibe of TOS, where they all don't know or even necessarily like each other, and are going to do their jobs.

While season 1 does have the bridge crew acting like a bunch of cliquish hamburger flippers at times, plenty of other times make up for it... indeed, of all the stories that TNG s3-7 would build off of from earlier years, the addition of Barclay (and Shelby and Ro, etc) countered the cliquishness beautifully...

Pulaski could stand up to Picard, relieve him if necessary, with no personal connection getting in the way. Her recognizing and coming to appreciate Data is one of the greatest bits of character growth in the series.

^^huge.

The Pulaski arc was an arc ahead of its time and Pulaski was shown to be more than just a toaster hater. How she was won over was more important, and in later episodes she backed Data.

Wes is better without his mommy around

(snicker!)

, and Pulaski's connection to Riker's dad, her beginning friendship with Worf, curiosity about alien cultures and rituals, master surgeon status (as she had to save Picard), everything with Data, and the possible tie-in to McCoy, make her an amazingly better character.

In which episode was she somehow related to Leonard McCoy? She does have a superficial aspect to some of her cold personality, but she's no clone. VOY's EMH comes far closer to that and everyone adores him... (Robert Picardo stealing the show sorta helps carry the tradition on, even if some storylines were too dumb, but before I digress...)

Crusher often comes across as condescending and petty, and I can imagine even identical bits of dialogue sounding better coming from Pulaski. One of the biggest wastes of the show, IMO. (*edit, bev couldn't even use pulaski's technique properly in who watches the watchers. lol.) i was honestly hoping that she was going to be one of the DSCS05 24th century scientists.

(snickers)

Excellent points, all. Not sure if their mucking up the mind wipe was intentional, and we never saw on screen if it worked on Sarjenka either (a novel indicates not, but given that Data was dumb enough to leave a big-bleep trigger next to her bed before he leaves, that amplified the chance of her remembering, telling mommy and daddy and every stranger, who may or may not have believed her because not all species react the same, blahbetyblah and so on...

Geordi is just so much better in S1, and yes, Arsenal of Freedom is a great episode for him. Another great Geordi episode, where he's stuck with the Romulan, could have still happened from his bridge post.

"Arsenal" is a beautiful example of him growing as a character and showing and overcoming the obstacles and going outside of his comfy zone. The episode is often regarded as a fluffy action piece, but there's far more going on than Russell P Coltrane
Chief Engineer Logan* being the punching bag of the week.

* the latest in the revolving door of chief engineers, because they didn't want a Scotty stand-in (despite Lt Argyle, one of (only two?) season 1 chief engineers who had more than one episode accorded him!) Geordi spent so much time there, and LeVar's handling of treknobabble made it sound authentic, every single time, so the role shift didn't feel as forced as it otherwise might have... but, yeah, "Arsenal"'s character drama of him having to take the bridge is underrated.

I don't buy that the first season character was even skilled or smart enough to become CHIEF engineer. I don't think the entire switch was very well thought out. He and Data as buddies at the helm-nav-ops consoles was a great dynamic and should have been continued. Wes could have taken up a mentorship with O'Brien in engineering, or with Pulaski in sickbay, having found his mother's calling.

We do see Geordi and Data remain as a double-act, and Geordi being elsewhere does expand the number of events they can get into. Or maybe by the 24th century, most roles are more easily interchangeable, despite one person doing the work predominantly? Anyone could do the hail, though it's usually given to the Security person standing in back slowly developing back problems while hunched over the console, et cetera.

at least the first couple seasons had sci fi plots and actual adventures and not just politics and moral debating from a conference room, courtroom or holodeck. sigh. as a kid, i never made the connections between TOS and early TNG, but man the thru-line is very apparent.

The sci-fi plotting definitely stands out, especially in retrospect. Forget the clip show faff, the opening bit of "Shades of Gray" and exploring the alien landscape was real sci-fi and is a fine example of selling the threat and suspense. That can't be done in every episode, but rarely after that was there anything like that. Indeed, for exploring the unknown, "Masks" is a great latter-day example of TNG returning to sci-fi. (I often rank 7 as being better than 5 and 6 for returning somewhat to its exploratory and sci-fi roots.)

The moral debating felt integral but didn't overshadow or contrive the story or characters, making the experiences richer. The addition of drama hit a great balance for seasons 2-4 but then became more or less templated soap opera in a space hotel.

even early TNG had better camera angles and movements with the models, imo. and the music is just wonderful.

Ironic, as the 6' model was a pure pain to deal with (per some review articles/videos). Case in point: The model's saucer was damaged early on when developing beauty passes for stock shots. But later seasons often do feel more by-the-book. They still look great, but 1-3 definitely had more work put in with the camera work.

Ron Jones and the style that he and the other composers used in seasons 1-4 is iconic and made this show as unique as everything and everyone else put into it. The music change, in late season-4, was noticeable... but was often much worse in 5-7, and really drags down many episodes. "Power Play" is otherwise a strong story, let down by muzak that seemingly tries to take the audience out of the episode. Considering that the other composers (Jay and Dennis) were putting out primo stuff in seasons 1-3, it's not on them. Anything else aside, "The Next Phase" is a rare example of music that genuinely works WITH the story and doesn't detract. "Tin Man" remains one of the best scores ever, but before I digress... as weird as the new musical format was, it also reminds me of the teasers. The teasers for the season 4-7 stories felt far more lively than the episodes themselves because those had good action music! One would otherwise think that the season 4-7 teaser style fits 1-3 episodes better and the original teaser format was the sort of wallpaper that 4-7 would have used.
 
In which episode was she somehow related to Leonard McCoy? She does have a superficial aspect to some of her cold personality, but she's no clone.
1. She and McCoy both hate the transporter.

2. She and McCoy both have issues with androids; they see them as machines mimicking human form, rather than actual people in their own right (or at least that's how she saw Data at first; would be interesting to know how she perceives the Borg).

3. She and McCoy both have a hands-on way of doing medicine, and put their patients first with a no-nonsense bedside manner that still conveys compassion (ie. how she dealt with Deanna's surprise pregnancy; she put Deanna first, ahead of Picard's stuffy protocols).

4. There's a fan theory (yes, I know these aren't canon) that she is McCoy's great-granddaughter. It's plausible, as she would have grown up listening to his stories and learning from his medical experiences.
 
1. She and McCoy both hate the transporter.

2. She and McCoy both have issues with androids; they see them as machines mimicking human form, rather than actual people in their own right (or at least that's how she saw Data at first; would be interesting to know how she perceives the Borg).

3. She and McCoy both have a hands-on way of doing medicine, and put their patients first with a no-nonsense bedside manner that still conveys compassion (ie. how she dealt with Deanna's surprise pregnancy; she put Deanna first, ahead of Picard's stuffy protocols).

4. There's a fan theory (yes, I know these aren't canon) that she is McCoy's great-granddaughter. It's plausible, as she would have grown up listening to his stories and learning from his medical experiences.

There are a lot of instances, starting as soon as the very first episode post departure, that I absolutely would have preferred to hear her views and listen to her debates in fighting for what is right or her take things, starting right there with the nanites. It would almost be an extention of her Data arc. I think as an actress, she could have elevated episodes like the one where Bev got kidnapped by terrorists, much more then her counterpart ever did. I'm on S3 in a rewatch now so its all pretty fresh in my mind. I try to hear the same dialogue in Pulaski's voice, and it usually comes out better, although it could be my bias showing.

She reminds me a lot of McCoy when she has to explain how pre-technological medicine is still a tried and true medical practice. She has that gruffness mixed with humanity, which the EMH never quite found the balance of imo. Its definitely fannon, but its my fannon lol.

When Q loses his powers, interacting with Pulaski would have been so much more entertaining then just dealing with Beverly, and Wow, she could have had an amazing part with Data's daughter. Still don't always remember TNG episode names, sorry.

I definitely didn't appreciate her enough at the time. I was happy at age 11-12 to have Crusher back.

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i'm in the minority, where as around the time that everyone else thinks TNG hits its stride and becomes amazing, I hit the point where I get bored stupid and lose complete interest. S3 hits a high point with the Best of Both Worlds that the series never comes close to again, and by this point we've gotten Yesterday's Enterprise and Sarek already as well. There is very little to draw me after that; I honestly think I would have preferred keeping Scotty and Spock's fates a mystery until we get there with a better crossover movie. Losing S4-S7 is little of value of me. I am going to have a serious choice to make, whether I continue my rewatch past S3 or not - I think jumping to First Contact and letting it mirror TOS (3 seasons, skip the first movie, go right to the action) might be the way to go.
 
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1. She and McCoy both hate the transporter.

2. She and McCoy both have issues with androids; they see them as machines mimicking human form, rather than actual people in their own right (or at least that's how she saw Data at first; would be interesting to know how she perceives the Borg).

3. She and McCoy both have a hands-on way of doing medicine, and put their patients first with a no-nonsense bedside manner that still conveys compassion (ie. how she dealt with Deanna's surprise pregnancy; she put Deanna first, ahead of Picard's stuffy protocols).

4. There's a fan theory (yes, I know these aren't canon) that she is McCoy's great-granddaughter. It's plausible, as she would have grown up listening to his stories and learning from his medical experiences.

Oops. I was thinking "blood relative" :angel:

But to each:

1. It's easy to fathom how many medical practitioners would dislike the transporter.
2. TOS was loaded with androids from long-dead alien civilizations. Pulaski only dealt with one, but on a much closer level. And, great point, her not involved with the Borg would have been fantastic
3. True, but I would expect the CMO to know several methods of healing, especially if the main systems become unavailable. Many doctors have been no-nonsense in real life as well. It can be a matter of life and death
4. Small universe syndrome or not, I like that notion
 
I wish she had been there from the beginning, and was the reason for McCoy's Far point cameo.

All of the things people disliked about her would have been seen differently; they would be a feature not a bug. Instant beloved fan favorite instead of divisive character, and a nice piece of franchise DNA to be moving forward with.
 
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