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Game of Thrones 4.10 - "The Children" - Rate and discuss

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^The coin Jaqen H'ghar gave her at the end of the second season, which he said could be used to find him if she met anyone from Braavos.
 
Excellent episode. Only complaint was Dany being forced to chain her dragons coupled with the old man wanting to return to the chains.

For a show that is generally written so well - this over the top metaphor was stupid IMO.

BTW, one question if someone knows. What was that currency Arya had that was more valuable than gold that got her passage on the ship?

It was the token she got from the faceless man.
 
Excellent episode. Only complaint was Dany being forced to chain her dragons coupled with the old man wanting to return to the chains.

For a show that is generally written so well - this over the top metaphor was stupid IMO.

Er, that "pathetic old coot scared of the future and finding solace in blind servitude" metaphor was aimed at Barristan, not Dany. Ian McElhinney played it just right, which bodes well for his arc next season now that his rival's been banished ....

Props too to Anton Lesser, who adroitly just about manages to keep Qyburn from becoming this show's version of Dr Bernado. ("They said I was mad at Maesters and Johnson!"). :lol:

Anyway, excellent finale - though I can hear the "Han shot first" fanboy whining about Tyrion and Shae warming up already ....
 
Everything was going so well, even the changes they made were mostly great, until Tyrion's sequence. Such a missed opportunity to give some proper weight to those last few scenes with his Brother and Father. It was a shadow of a shadow of Martin's version.

Alas.

This. I'm not really sure what they're going to do with Jaime now that he doesn't have Tyrion's words rattling around in his head.
 
April 2015... seriously? I have to wait that long?? This show really needs more episodes per season. Up it to 12 or 13 I say. It feels like about 2 weeks ago we were all waiting for the first episode of the season to start.


Everything was going so well, even the changes they made were mostly great, until Tyrion's sequence. Such a missed opportunity to give some proper weight to those last few scenes with his Brother and Father. It was a shadow of a shadow of Martin's version.
Having not read the book, out of interest how does it differ?
 
One of the best episodes of the series. Powerful scenes, beautifully shot.
Overall a very satisfying season.
 
Very good episode. Am I right and was this the first time that the season's final episode did not end with Daenerys? Not that I would have anything against that. As a matter of fact, I liked it that Daenerys decided in an earlier episode to stay in the city, while Arya is on the move now. It's a bit like they switched positions.

All in all, I thought that season 4 had some good stuff but I didn't like it as much as the previous seasons.
 
I see Gwendoline Christie (Brienne) is getting her sword (light saber) practice before playing a Sith in the new Star Wars movie. ;)
 
Very good episode. Am I right and was this the first time that the season's final episode did not end with Daenerys?
Season 2 ended with that army of White Walkers on the march.

Ah yes... on a veeerrrryyyyy sssslllllooowwwwwww march we see two years later
 
I was a bit taken aback by the skeletons, fireballs and old men in trees and eternal children. GoT usually is rather restrained with the out and out fantasy elements. It was cool but just unexpected. I guess once the giants riding mammoths come in that door is rather open.

Found myself also surprised by the fight between Brienne and The Hound. Didn't really expect that and found it tense because I didn't really want either to lose. Ended pretty coldly with Arya though. I need to start carrying a flask for emergencies because it seems only wine will do when dying.
 
I was a bit taken aback by the skeletons, fireballs and old men in trees and eternal children. GoT usually is rather restrained with the out and out fantasy elements. It was cool but just unexpected. I guess once the giants riding mammoths come in that door is rather open.

Really? I mean the show has dragons as reoccurring characters. And don't forget Daney apparently can survive fire.

Found myself also surprised by the fight between Brienne and The Hound. Didn't really expect that and found it tense because I didn't really want either to lose. Ended pretty coldly with Arya though.
Arya's transformation is complete in terms of being cold hearted. Interesting how both sisters - Sansa and Arya - have dramatically changed,. Sansa is now cunning and pragmatic were as Arya is a hardass.
 
Well.. Arya was always a tomboy but she had to toughen up much faster than any kid should. But that last scene on the ship to Braavos had me cheering for her.. with the music it was just a very powerful image to end the season.

And damn was it a finale.. not a wasted shot and everything carried some weight. The fight between Brienne and the Hound was awesome. It starts as a "standard" fantasy swordfight and quickly devolves to brutal streetfighting and that was more badass than the well choreographed Viper vs. Mountain fight (which was very pretty to look at but no real fight looks like that).

For some reason Tyrion's storyline kind of left me a bit underwhelmed. I knew what was about to happen and Tywin/Shae certainly had it coming but it fell kinda flat - a shadow of the brilliance that was Tyrion's trial.

I know what's about to happen in the next season (at least some things) and some events have been foreshadowed in this finale but it only leaves me giddy to see more.

The year will pass as the last one did but it's always a highlight of my TV year when Game of Thrones returns to the screen.

See ya next year.

Valar Morghulis Motherfuckers!!! :techman:
 
April 2015... seriously? I have to wait that long?? This show really needs more episodes per season. Up it to 12 or 13 I say. It feels like about 2 weeks ago we were all waiting for the first episode of the season to start.


Everything was going so well, even the changes they made were mostly great, until Tyrion's sequence. Such a missed opportunity to give some proper weight to those last few scenes with his Brother and Father. It was a shadow of a shadow of Martin's version.
Having not read the book, out of interest how does it differ?
It turns out that the girl Tyrion married when he was a teenager who turned out to be a whore wasn't in fact a whore. Tywin simply made it up and forced the whore gangbang charade to de-legitimize their vows. Jaime went along with it all these years and revealed the truth to Tyrion only now. In anger at hearing that he participated in the gang-rape of his first love, Tyrion reveals that Cersei has been sleeping around while Jaime was gone and falsely claims to have killed Joffrey, leaving them on rather bad terms as they part. This anger more or less puts Tyrion in the killing mood we saw the results of last night
 
Frankly I think that motivation would have probably required too much explanation and felt too abstract to non-book readers like myself, since that incident was only mentioned once or twice a while ago and didn't feel nearly as immediate as the more recent slights against Tyrion.

For me, the series had already established quite well just how badly Tyrion's father had wronged him over the years, and him sleeping with Shae was only icing on the cake. Not to mention the fact he was being sentenced to death by his own father, even though (as Tyrion pointed out) he clearly must have realized he was not Joffrey's killer.

With all that, it certainly felt like there was enough motivation to me.
 
I was a bit taken aback by the skeletons, fireballs and old men in trees and eternal children. GoT usually is rather restrained with the out and out fantasy elements. It was cool but just unexpected. I guess once the giants riding mammoths come in that door is rather open.

Really? I mean the show has dragons as reoccurring characters. And don't forget Daney apparently can survive fire.

Usually when I think of GoT and its magic/fantasy elements there's an organic nature to it, more Druidic/Wiccan/whatever and not so much Merlin and Gandalf. The skeletons and fireballs seemed more pure magic than usual to me.
 
I think we just got a taste of what GoT: the movie might be like; in fact, I wouldn't be too surprised to hear that The Children had gotten a limited cinema release. Epic and sweeping both visually and aurally. Loved the music accompanying Stannis's invasion and Arya's departure - stellar in both cases. The strains of The Rains Of Castermere in Tywin's final scene were a nice touch too.

Will miss Rory McCann - Sandor may have been "the biggest shit in the Seven Kingdoms", but McCann made him constantly watchable. Brilliant scene with Brienne, too.

The skeletons were an unexpected treat. A little goofy, but I saw it as a lovely homage to Ray Harryhausen's work.

I think Tyrion's desperate scuffle with Shae struck a good balance as compared to the book (though considering that the show had been prepared to "go there" with Oberyn's death, I had half-expected the writers to court controversy and just have him murder her outright as he does in book 3). The Tywin scene was great, but lost a little oomph by substituting Shae for Tysha as the sex worker in question, even if it did serve to redeem Tyrion somewhat.

I've heard that this episode is being submitted for consideration for this year's Emmys. Smart call; I feel like I say this every time I comment on an episode, but this one is one of the show's most impressive to date.
 
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