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Spoilers Game Of Thrones’ Spinoff ‘House Of The Dragons’ ordered to series

Dee1891 said:
So, are we expected to root for Team Green?
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Commander Troi said:
I doubt either team is worth rooting for. :lol:
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Sadly, the Green Team on the High Tower are the least awful choice. For the good of the realm, Aegon II, King Viserys and Alicent’s first son should have been king. Undisputed.

The coming Targaryen civil war is exactly what King Jaherys Targaryen was trying to avoid in the opening of HOT D.
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When the choice was down to the children of his two dead sons. Rhaenys (the Queen who never was), the only child of Jaehaerys’ eldest son Aemon. Viserys I, son of Baelon. Rhaenys is older than her cousin Viserys, and is also the daughter of the crown prince. Jaehaerys knew the lords of Westeros would never support a woman and that a war among House Targaryen word erupt to seat Viserys instead.

History is playing out similar, but Viserys didn’t see his court dividing into factions and wanted so badly to leave Rhaenyra with something to make up for her losing her mother.

Rhaenyra hasn’t demonstrated herself worthy of the throne and her conduct is own display for everyone to see. She’s literally a female Daemon. But without the murderous nature, combat skills, or political swagger to anticipate his enemies.


The realm is ready to fall in line behind Aegon II. Rhaenyra will find herself begging the same lords who swore their allegiance to her in episode 1, for their support.
 
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It was like a new pilot. I really don't get the structure of the season as a way to tell a coherent story. I don't care what the book did that Martin wrote when he should have been writing his actual novels.

Time jumps changing the story offscreen constantly isn't engaging whatsoever. Characters lack the charisma or depth of their GoT counterparts. The fetish the show has to kill off characters so quickly is equally annoying as it is underwhelming.

If I wasn't watching this with my partner, then I would probably give up.
 
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Saul said:
They aren't compelling.
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They aren't relatable...certainly not nice people, but I'd argue the complexity of characterization makes them interesting.

Certainly heads above The Rings of Power, where nearly every character is a shallow plot device.
 
Variety:
One thing Condal is clear on: Don’t expect any major time jumps in Season 2. Following Season 1, “The storytelling becomes fairly in the rhythms of the original ‘Game of Thrones’ series,” he says.
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Good. I'm thoroughly enjoying the show, but I can appreciate where others are coming from. For my money, the writing and performances are keeping me engaged.
 
I thought episodes four and five were the best so far, but this one was definitely hurt by the time jumps. It felt like starting all over again, but even then we don't really get a new status quo because things changed majorly again by the end of the episode. It was nice seeing Daemon actually being a decent husband with his nice wife (would have been good to see how she got the dragon though)...but then she's dead. We got a bit more of the Strong family at last...then two of them are dead. Larys murdering his father and brother would have had more impact if we'd ever seen him interacting with them, beyond seemingly getting on well with Harwin in episode five. Luckily the the acting is all really good and I still want to see what happens next. I just wish it would settle down again.
 
Quick as they were they did a good job with those little snippets we did get to see of Lady Rhea and Laena. Really all of the little character bits are good but I could see where people would want more. I've been enjoying the pieces moving into play, I don't watch a lot of political intrigue sort of stuff so I'm up for it.
 
When your parallel universe lives include you being both Lara Croft (2018) and Wonder Woman (2017). Being a baby making queen for and old king, just won't suit you.

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Dee1891 said:
So, are we expected to root for Team Green?
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I'm not sure whether we are meant to root for either team. For all it's supposed "moral greyness" the old show did have a convenient house of heroes in the Starks, who were all just all just a little bit more moral and more relatable to the modern reader/viewer, House of Dragon doesn't have that.
I think the show tries to sell Team Rhaenyra by giving some of them more modern/liberal views, starting with Rhaenyra's feminist streak and her tolerance for her gay husband. But while the Starks were hanging on for dear life, Rhaenyra is ready to start a civil war just for personal power. She was also stupid enough to invite challenges to the legitimacy of her heirs and her own fitness to rule by bonking her lover without having at least an heir by her husband first, and squirting out a bunch of brown haired kids when she and her husband both are Targaryen silver-blond (at least Cersei and her blond children had plausible deniability due to recessive genes)
And don't forget that Team Rhaenyra also has Daemon, who really shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the throne.

Team Green, on the other hand might have the less relatable characters and their candidate for the Iron Throne is a little douche who seems ready to give Viserys (Daenerys' brother from the old show) a run for his money, but their side promises greater stability for the realm, but even so they are also willing to start a civil war for power.

In the end neither of them comes across as very nice.
 
GRRM has never been subtle about the fact that his work within the ASOIF universe is meant to deconstruct the entire idea that nobles are "good guys" in any sense of the term. The whole point of the setting is to show how nasty and exploitative feudalism really was as a model for a society, and how we should feel lucky to live in modernity, rather than romanticize a past that never existed.
 
eschaton said:
GRRM has never been subtle about the fact that his work within the ASOIF universe is meant to deconstruct the entire idea that nobles are "good guys" in any sense of the term. The whole point of the setting is to show how nasty and exploitative feudalism really was as a model for a society, and how we should feel lucky to live in modernity, rather than romanticize a past that never existed.
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Because now we still have an essentially feudal system of CEOs and underpaid and exploited workers, but at least no-one is pretending they have a divine mandate, right?

Right?

#PadmeMeme
 
I can forgive the fast pace of this season because it's essentially a long prologue. Do you really want the Dance of Dragons to start in Season 14 and then be over with in one episode like GOT?
 
matthunter said:
Because now we still have an essentially feudal system of CEOs and underpaid and exploited workers, but at least no-one is pretending they have a divine mandate, right?

Right?

#PadmeMeme
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Maybe we should be thinking about what kind of socio-economic system could replace what we have today just as capitalism replaced feudalism...
 
I am with Rhaenyra. She does have her faults but she is the rightful heir to the throne.

I do know her fate eventually but i do prefer her over Alicent. Alicent's father implanted the fear of Rhaenyra and also the desire for the throne in her and now she is trying to do the same to her son.
 
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Honestly...I don't care enough to root for a particular side. I love the acting and the visuals (well, that one shot of Daemon dragonflying around in Pentos was really shitty CGI)...but I just cannot bring myself to care about this conflict. It's just a giant So What? burger.
 
The Nth Doctor said:
Honestly...I don't care enough to root for a particular side. I love the acting and the visuals (well, that one shot of Daemon dragonflying around in Pentos was really shitty CGI)...but I just cannot bring myself to care about this conflict. It's just a giant So What? burger.
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It's a tragedy. You're not supposed to root for either side.
 
EmoBorg said:
I am with Rhaenyra. She does have her faults but she is the rightful heir to the throne.
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None of these people are the "rightful" heir. Westerosi kings change the rules of succession all the damn time. There's no "rightful" succession when the rules change on the current king's whim, no "rightful" when you have the rule of people but no rule of law. And none of these happy assholes have the consent of the people they govern.

These assholes are all equally illegitimate.
 
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