That would really be anti-climactic. After spending the entire half-season making us think she has cancer from radiation exposure and setting up the scene to make it look like she's on her death bed, she end up passing kidney stones instead.
Fear the Walking Dead - Season 5 discussion and spoilers.
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...topped off by Grace looking to the camera and winking, as the credits roll, and she says, "See you next season!"
That would be the only way to address Grace suffering from anything other than the cloud that was radiation sickness.
It looks like they were actually headed back up at the end of season 4. They've got a good group of characters, but they just need a more focused plot, I think.
As you can see, season 4 was a rebound after steadily decreasing numbers. If they can get next season to stay constant with this one, this show will probably be safe for several more seasons. However, if another major drop happens its trouble.
I am morally opposed to gratuitous song scenes.
I didn't notice any skin disorders on either of them. But the radiation sickness angle just seems too straightforward-- I'm expecting a twist of some kind.
They were wicked tired. They should have gotten a good night's sleep and dealt with it in the morning.
I was sort of kidding about the kidney stones, although that could provide some welcome humor. But any twist that gets her off the radiation hook would be welcome.
With a closing iris camera shot.
Nah, I disagree. What I'd really like to see is some twist involving the Zombie virus, but I know we won't get that.
What I think is going to happen is Grace is going to die. Morgan will hesitate in killing her as Zombie like his wife and like his wife and she will kill a regular. I am thinking Alicia. He will go in clear mode and kill the leader of the new bd guys. Forgot her name. Jason
Alicia and Grace have discoloration patterns on their foreheads--the fact Alicia only presented with it after the radiation zombies' blood splashed on her confirms she shares Grace's affliction.
Wouldn't the zombies be attracted to the movement, smell, or however they sense the living with the heroes nearby?
With a closing iris camera shot.
Morgan refusing to kill his wife when she turned only made sense because it was early days. There's no way he'd refuse to kill someone after they turned now, especially with how things ended up after not putting his wife down. Regardless, Grace's condition is known, meaning June would likely be keeping her under constant monitoring all times, so when she did die June could easily stab Grace in the head before she even turns.
As you can see, season 4 was a rebound after steadily decreasing numbers. If they can get next season to stay constant with this one, this show will probably be safe for several more seasons. However, if another major drop happens its trouble.
I wonder what the production budget is on the show. They do have a lot of actors to pay in the show. Budget vs. ratings will determine how long the show will go on for.
Ass for clearing the Gulch, if Rick and gang can clear a whole uncontrolled herd out of Alexandria then with some control they should be able to clear the gulch with the amount of people they have.
They do a lot of location shooting, which gets pretty expensive. They also seem to spend a lot on makeup. Other than that, I don't think they spend on much at all.
Obviously in 2019 auxiliary income is important too. Does the show sell on Blu Ray? Is it a key component of AMC's streaming services? We don't quite have the full picture.
^^ There's also foreign markets.
I have not noticed that. But that's odd, too, that both characters would have the same symptoms after being exposed to radiation in different ways (not to mention being different people). Maybe they are leading up to something about the Zombie virus interacting with the radiation.
I got the impression that they were all trapped in the Gulch-- implying that Ginny's minions had arranged for them to be there. If so, they would be relatively safe outside and could arrange a controlling culling of the herd.
On that point in bold, I doubt it, and Kirkman is the reason why any analysis of the zombie virus is never explored on the series; he resented TWD's season 1 finale ("TS-19") for that reason, so since that time, the only in-series theories came from someone--Milton (Woodbury) essentially shaking beads at the problem with his memory/sound experiments, which is no theory at all. Kirkman's various excuses for not wanting to explain it never held water. I think he's just afraid of committing to even an in-series theory put of fear of criticism for trying to explain it, or the specifics of his explanation--forgetting that the public knows this is all fiction, thus inapplicable to real world biological standards.
Okay, if they were locked in by Virginia, then they (the heroes) should still be able to open one area and let them all flow out to be killed one by one.
The point of the show is NOT the zombies, but how people react in this given set of restraints (I..e all dead rising except those who ere brained; lack of organized government). Any explanation kinda sabotages it...and people will whine about how the zombie situation hasn't been solved..... and that should be a final season worry (if it ever comes up)
I will say... we sure have drifted from the time of MOrgan's wife having muscle memory or a Walker child picking up a doll
On the contrary. Richard Matheson's classic I Am Legend was all about Neville's life/experiences in a world of vampires, but the story's explanation(s) of its cause, mutation and how it affected others was part of the drama and sense of urgency. A logical part of the drama, as it is expected that one or many will seek answers to a global plague while suffering from its effect on the character and/or environment, but it never lost the importance of the horror of vampirism and how it functions.. Avoiding it--as TWD has after season one--is Kirkman fearing being criticized for even theorizing about it.
Matheson's story is the template for most "living dead" fiction of print and film that followed, so he proved that approach was successful.
…and...
A good number of the collective 14 WD-TV universe series have ignored the driving plot of its origin--cannibalistic zombies and the horror they cause--which have taken a back seat to common tribal fights. You could have achieved the latter in a series set after a world war, or global natural disasters that broke down organized governments, but the gruesome horror is what (is supposed to) separate TWD from other concepts. Unless FTWD remembers that, it will lose the rest of the plot its been bleeding for two seasons. It cannot continue with more Governors/Gareth/Dawn/Negan/Wolf-type leaders of abusive factions.
...or walkers using rocks to break into the department store (also season 1) . But that cannot be forgotten or hand-waved away.
I agree that they're unlikely to do anything like that-- although they could certainly speculate that that the virus has an effect on how people react to radiation without explaining the nature or origin of the virus. But I also wonder if they will be more open to dealing with the virus now that the comic book is over.
Walking Dead is essentially identical to Romero's Dead series, and part of the horror of that series was that there were no answers. I think Kirkman just wants to be true to that. But, of course, my mind can't help but extrapolate and try to explain.
That's how it looked to me-- like they had been corralled, so to speak.
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Season 5 / Episode 15 - "End of the Line" - Season Finale
Morgan / Grace: I had not considered Virginia would kill or leave Grace to die as she's not an asset to her "new world". Just when the series pretty much had Grace hobbling toward the grave, it turns out she's pregnant. That was a major surprise, but she has been exposed to radiation, sharing the same skin disorders as Alicia, so....
At long last, Morgan and Grace admit their feelings for each other as she's hustled away. Elation and sadness in the same moment.
Morgan's fate...unknown. He's badly wounded and a group of walkers were seconds away from him. One thig I do not want to see is Morgan receive some minor bite or scratch (on the level of Carl Grimes), and he spends the first half of season six trying to help his friends as he slowly loses his grip on life.
I see the only way out is for a hidden third party to show up and spirit him away. Perhaps this theoretical third party will be his means of overthrowing Virginia's group...if he survives. Most would assume he will live to get his revenge on Virginia, but someone else may have the "honor" of ending her.
John / June: Every time they talk about marriage, it comes off as a tease for the worst to happen. Yes, they were finally married, but they were ripped apart. Very effective scene.
Virginia and the Gang: "You won't be together anymore, but you will be alive" That read like the group would be herded off to work camps, or worse. I had a feeling that she would attempt to kill Morgan, with his being the moral compass of the group. She is quite despicable, and now I hope she sticks around long enough for some gruesome form of punishment.
Althea: She should have kept her mouth shut about the helicopter. Whether Virginia is affiliated with that group or not, its all about domination and resources, so she (Althea) has opened herself up for abuse for knowing too much.
Alicia: Pointless conversation about her being able to kill walkers again, since she crossed that bridge several weeks ago, and the group would know by now.
Strand: Initially, I thought the showrunners could not let go of the "Strand can't be trusted" sub-plot, which had been brought to a conclusion in season 4A, but his parting remark to Alicia---about doing damage from the inside--removed all doubt about his loyalties. I really want to see him act on his promise.
Dwight: I really like how he's developed since joining FTWD. In a sense, he's the most sympathetic character on show--probably due to his being the most abused character across two series, and his referencing the past (as a largely ignored warning about Virginia) now seems natural, rather than a cheap reminder of the parent series.
NOTES: Although this was a very hit and miss season, with the wandering peacenik angle, go-nowhere antagonists (Logan), etc., it ended successfully hitting a number of emotional beats, from loss of hope, the threat of death, separation anxiety--just about everything one would want to see. I would not have said the following over the past few weeks, but now I'm looking forward to season six. I hope it lives up to the promise of this finale.
The Walking Dead's 10th season beings next Sunday.
GRADE: B+
Season 5 / Episode 15 - "End of the Line" - Season Finale
Morgan / Grace: I had not considered Virginia would kill or leave Grace to die as she's not an asset to her "new world". Just when the series pretty much had Grace hobbling toward the grave, it turns out she's pregnant. That was a major surprise, but she has been exposed to radiation, sharing the same skin disorders as Alicia, so....
At long last, Morgan and Grace admit their feelings for each other as she's hustled away. Elation and sadness in the same moment.
Morgan's fate...unknown. He's badly wounded and a group of walkers were seconds away from him. One thig I do not want to see is Morgan receive some minor bite or scratch (on the level of Carl Grimes), and he spends the first half of season six trying to help his friends as he slowly loses his grip on life.
I see the only way out is for a hidden third party to show up and spirit him away. Perhaps this theoretical third party will be his means of overthrowing Virginia's group...if he survives. Most would assume he will live to get his revenge on Virginia, but someone else may have the "honor" of ending her.
John / June: Every time they talk about marriage, it comes off as a tease for the worst to happen. Yes, they were finally married, but they were ripped apart. Very effective scene.
Virginia and the Gang: "You won't be together anymore, but you will be alive" That read like the group would be herded off to work camps, or worse. I had a feeling that she would attempt to kill Morgan, with his being the moral compass of the group. She is quite despicable, and now I hope she sticks around long enough for some gruesome form of punishment.
Althea: She should have kept her mouth shut about the helicopter. Whether Virginia is affiliated with that group or not, its all about domination and resources, so she (Althea) has opened herself up for abuse for knowing too much.
Alicia: Pointless conversation about her being able to kill walkers again, since she crossed that bridge several weeks ago, and the group would know by now.
Strand: Initially, I thought the showrunners could not let go of the "Strand can't be trusted" sub-plot, which had been brought to a conclusion in season 4A, but his parting remark to Alicia---about doing damage from the inside--removed all doubt about his loyalties. I really want to see him act on his promise.
Dwight: I really like how he's developed since joining FTWD. In a sense, he's the most sympathetic character on show--probably due to his being the most abused character across two series, and his referencing the past (as a largely ignored warning about Virginia) now seems natural, rather than a cheap reminder of the parent series.
NOTES: Although this was a very hit and miss season, with the wandering peacenik angle, go-nowhere antagonists (Logan), etc., it ended successfully hitting a number of emotional beats, from loss of hope, the threat of death, separation anxiety--just about everything one would want to see. I would not have said the following over the past few weeks, but now I'm looking forward to season six. I hope it lives up to the promise of this finale.
The Walking Dead's 10th season beings next Sunday.
GRADE: B+
Wow you liked this episode? I feel you will find yourself in a minority on this one.
One thing that seems to have gone down the drain (along with common sense) is attention to detail from the filmmakers. Day turns into night after commercial breaks, zombie bodies suddenly disappear, overall action choreography makes no sense... It almost feels like the showrunners don't care any more, and if they don't care, why should we?
I enjoyed the core group's feelings being raw, which had nothing to do with the aimless, "we help people" weight that made this a hit and miss season. They finally had a purpose--each other, which is how this season should have been framed all along. Instead, that happens in the finale, which made it strong in my view. Unlike any other time this season, the core group not only has a reason to put their lives to work at something worthwhile (getting rid of the local gangs instead of that loose "we help people" idea), but to really judge the value of the core group's lives against the idea of doing anything to "make it", which is what Dwight was getting at with his outright rejection of surrendering to Virginia.
It rests on how Morgan (who is still setting the group's ideological tone) survives, who saves him, and if he's at the sensible middle ground of self-defense without being a complete dove on one extreme end, or "clear"/murderous insanity on the other.
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So this is "what if Rick joined the Saviors".
Not bad as an episode, though it's basically the culmination of what I've observed a few times prior in that the show has gone and destroyed the message they were trying to send all season. Morgan's been spending all season insisting "we're not doing smart, we're doing right." Well, look how that's turned out. The Convoy is split up, absorbed into Ginny's gang and Morgan himself has been shot and left for dead, bleeding out a chest would with a herd of Walkers advancing towards him. Yep, that totally inspires me to do the right thing instead of the smart thing, I said sarcastically.
Seeing Strand revert back to his old ways only served to emphasize they haven't really been sure what to do with the character since he became trustworthy. I mean hell, all he's really done this season is try to prove to Daniel he's changed, only to now go back on his word. I mean, yes, he says he's working from the inside to take Ginny down, and I do believe him, but it's kind of negating the character development they tried to give him of reforming his ways, no he has to go back to being manipulative and shifty.
Grace being pregnant is an interesting twist which I guess increases her importance in Ginny's view from least valuable to most (at least while she's pregnant). Given Ginny's all about The Future, nothing represents The Future better than a newborn baby.
So, Morgan. I doubt they're killing him off, but could they still be writing him off the show? I've already seen some speculation online that he gets a timely rescue by the helicopter, leading to him being in the Rick movies. Not the most outrageous idea I've heard, and it would be nice to get Rick and Morgan together again.
Seeing Strand revert back to his old ways only served to emphasize they haven't really been sure what to do with the character since he became trustworthy. I mean hell, all he's really done this season is try to prove to Daniel he's changed, only to now go back on his word. I mean, yes, he says he's working from the inside to take Ginny down, and I do believe him, but it's kind of negating the character development they tried to give him of reforming his ways, no he has to go back to being manipulative and shifty.
Grace being pregnant is an interesting twist which I guess increases her importance in Ginny's view from least valuable to most (at least while she's pregnant). Given Ginny's all about The Future, nothing represents The Future better than a newborn baby.
So, Morgan. I doubt they're killing him off, but could they still be writing him off the show? I've already seen some speculation online that he gets a timely rescue by the helicopter, leading to him being in the Rick movies. Not the most outrageous idea I've heard, and it would be nice to get Rick and Morgan together again.
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