Does anyone else dislike Raffi?

[Deks]

My headcanon is that when Picard and Scotty sit down to drink, the two of them spend at least an hour ****talking synthahol and whoever came up with it.

Except for the fact that synthehol is supposed to give you the same taste and feeling of drinking alcohol just without debilitating effects the alcohol itself comes with.
Trek is filled with similar nonsensical 'trashing' of synthetics... such as replicated food (which likely doesn't taste any different than real food... but the main difference is in preparation/recipe in the replicator - and the fact most people hadn't complained at all about it vs a very small handful of individuals).

The trash talk is something I don't like in Trek. Its dumb, especially when already we can create synthetic produce that provides the same sensation of the 'real foods' just without debilitating effects that comes with some of it.

People trash talk today because they don't know any better... people in Trek trash talk due to writer ignorance (even though the setting in which these characters grew up in doesn't come with nearly any of the problems we have today and they would be FAR better educated than most Humans alive today - aka, exposure to relevant general education/including basic methods of science, critical thinking and problem solving).

 

[Deks]

So, human?

Actually, what constitutes a 'human' continues to evolve and depends entirely on society to define it... a narrow definition or an assumption that a person has certain 'attributes' are what define them as 'human' is not a necessity.

 

[Relayer1]

I have no strong liking for the character or the actress (who I don't recall seeing before) and overall find her somewhat annoying (but not massively so) in season 2.

Is it me or was she better in season 1 ?

 

[Dukhat]

I want to throw things at the screen whenever she's on. She's so whiney and unprofessional, let's not forget a smack head that abandoned her son. Oh and then theres "JL", urgh.

Bottom line she's unroddenberrian.

What does Roddenberry have to do with this?

Also, you come back after being banned for spamming, and your first post is a silly whine-fest about a character? Why are you here again?

 

[Campe]

Actually, what constitutes a 'human' continues to evolve and depends entirely on society to define it... a narrow definition or an assumption that a person has certain 'attributes' are what define them as 'human' is a necessity.

Ill be completely honest and say even as a pre-teen, watching TNG, the concept of a human without having any real internal conflict just seemed… well… alien, to me. Now, I believe that it seems very unlikely that every human will reach that ideal by the year 2401. It’s a concept that the best of the best may reach but I find it hard to believe all will. Raffi might not be the best of the best. I’m okay with that.

 

[Weyoun 251]

I like Michelle Hurd as an actress, so my liking Raffi is based a lot on my liking Hurd before I even knew she was in ST: Picard. I did have some quibbles, particularly in season 1, with Raffi's informality with Picard (which felt out of character for Picard), and I wasn't a fan of making the only Black main cast member a recovering (or when we first meet her full on) drug addict.

By the end of the first season, I did like that her "conspiratorial" ideas were proven correct. But really, the start of the second season is how I've liked her character depicted best. She felt more like an (organic) trusted confidante of Picard and a caring mentor for Elnor. I would've loved to have seen more of her on Excelsior, or just cut out that middleman (or starship) and make her first officer aboard Stargazer.

There's a kind of Ro Laren quality about Raffi, which I think opens the door to see a different side of Starfleet, which is cool. I also think Raffi has good chemistry with basically everyone in the cast. And if the writing was there the series could really develop the Raffi-Seven relationship.

I follow what you are saying but what she is smoking, from my impression, seems to be no more significant than weed which is now legalised in some states, and in some countries, and also has people in the scientific community touting its use from a medical perspective.

I get what you are saying re: historical connotations of drugs and POC but I'd like to think this is different to those in that she is just a person with her troubles rather than a person causing troubles - if that makes sense.

 

[Jedi Marso]

So, human?

If by human, you mean at the pubescent, hormonal, petulant stage, then I suppose so.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Nah I don't like her. She's a druggy, calls Admiral Picard JL and doesn't seem to really have any remarkable skills as a officer. Suffice it to say shes no number one better known as Riker.

 

[Dukhat]

I want to throw things at the screen whenever she's on. She's so whiney and unprofessional, let's not forget a smack head that abandoned her son. Oh and then theres "JL", urgh.

Bottom line she's unroddenberrian.

Nah I don't like her. She's a druggy, calls Admiral Picard JL and doesn't seem to really have any remarkable skills as a officer. Suffice it to say shes no number one better known as Riker.

Funny how these posts are uncannily similar…

 

[Campe]

If by human, you mean at the pubescent, hormonal, petulant stage, then I suppose so.

If you want to minimize it to that, okay. That’s you. My word would be: complicated.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Picard must be her sea-daddy, because without someone pulling the strings, there is no way she rises above the rank of lieutenant, junior grade based on the performance we've seen.

Hell, the ensigns of the 'lower decks' episode in TNG were ten times more adult and capable than Raffi acts.

 

[ED-209]

I have no strong liking for the character or the actress (who I don't recall seeing before) and overall find her somewhat annoying (but not massively so) in season 2.

Is it me or was she better in season 1 ?

Far far far worse in S1 in my opinion, I don't recall seeing her in anything either - to be fair if I saw any Trek actors in something before I saw them in Trek I probably wouldn't of noticed either.

Nah I don't like her. She's a druggy, calls Admiral Picard JL and doesn't seem to really have any remarkable skills as a officer. Suffice it to say shes no number one better known as Riker.

Got it in one!

 

[Dukhat]

Got it in one!

Of course he ‘got it in one.’ He just regurgitated 100% of what you posted.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Funny how these posts are uncannily similar…

I compared her to not being as good a officer as Riker. Also a lot of us are annoyed by the JL nickname. It's stupid. Even Riker and every tng crew member when speaking his first name calls him Jean Luc.

 

[Dukhat]

So did it annoy you when Kirk called McCoy Bones? What an incredibly stupid thing to whine about.

And how do you know she wasn’t as good an officer as Riker? We only ever saw her as an officer in a flashback when she and Picard were being ousted from Starfleet. And the next time we saw her as an officer, she was in command of a starship. So explain to me again why she’s no Riker?

 

[ED-209]

I compared her to not being as good a officer as Riker. Also a lot of us are annoyed by the JL nickname. It's stupid. Even Riker and every tng crew member when speaking his first name calls him Jean Luc.

There was a whole alternative ending for Nemesis on the subject of calling Picard 'Jean Luc'.

 

[Deks]

Ill be completely honest and say even as a pre-teen, watching TNG, the concept of a human without having any real internal conflict just seemed… well… alien, to me. Now, I believe that it seems very unlikely that every human will reach that ideal by the year 2401. It’s a concept that the best of the best may reach but I find it hard to believe all will. Raffi might not be the best of the best. I’m okay with that.

It only seems alien to you because you were never brought up in a way (or an environment) to think like that or instigated/created/encouraged such different behavior.

Human behavior is dependent on the environment we grow up in... in essence, we are victims of culture (for lack of better description)... and most cultures on the face of this planet have outdated value, social, economic and educational systems which were never really updated to be in line with our ever advancing technology and science/understanding of how environment impacts behavior in humans which is directly tied to epigenetics and neuroscience (especially those known as 'developed nations') or how the natural world works.

Unfortunately, Trek writers seemed to have completely (or for the most part) ignored these things for the sake of 'spicing things up'... Roddenberry was clued up on this subject for the most part which is why his concept of evolved Humans made sense to me... and to me, this was not alien at all... I in fact CRAVED to see humans behaving differently from what I saw in everyday life.

 

[TRON JA307020]

So did it annoy you when Kirk called McCoy Bones? What an incredibly stupid thing to whine about.

And how do you know she wasn’t as good an officer as Riker? We only ever saw her as an officer in a flashback when she was being ousted from Starfleet.

Picard was her captain not the ships doctor. Exactly she was ousted by Starfleet and rightfully so. I think you just made my point

 

[Dukhat]

Picard was her captain not the ships doctor. Exactly she was ousted by Starfleet and rightfully so. I think you just made my point

Perhaps if you actually watched the show you whine about, you’d know that Raffi and Picard were ousted from Starfleet because it was infiltrated by Commodore Oh from the Zhat Vash, not because of any actions on Raffi and Picard’s part. The only point I’m proving is that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Perhaps if you actually watched the show you whine about, you’d know that Raffi and Picard were ousted from Starfleet because it was infiltrated by Commodore Oh from the Zhat Vash, not because of any actions on Raffi and Picard’s part. The only point I’m proving is that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Actually Picard handed in his resignation.