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Did Robocop die after the events of the third film???

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So I know there was the TV series and PD films but both of them just ignore the sequels so are technically parallel universes.

At the end of the 3rd movie OCP goes bust, with no OCP who funds Robocops upkeep?? Was he just left to die because no one could fund him?? The lack of upkeep of his bio components would probably be what got him first.
 
The equipment to maintain him was already at the police station... I'm sure someone there could be trained to operate it. His upkeep would undoubtedly cost less than a police salary. Especially with all the death benefits his precinct had to pay.
 
Well, even if he did, at least his son's descendants lived on. Even if one of them did almost blow up Starfleet headquarters a century or so later...
 
Well his son/Grandson went on to become the head of Starfleet so there must be something good in the Genes.
 
The equipment to maintain him was already at the police station... I'm sure someone there could be trained to operate it.

Yeah, but it would eventually break down too, or run out of proprietary replacement parts and materials.

Since RoboCop was set in Detroit, one could make an analogy to the difficulty of finding repair components for a high-end luxury car after the manufacturer goes out of business.

(And incidentally, I consider the original movie and the live-action TV series to be the prime timeline while the two movie sequels are the "parallel universe," since the TV pilot was adapted from the creators' original script for a second film, and I feel the series is truer to the original intent of the character and premise than the sequels were.)
 
OCP had been bought out by Kanemitsu at that point, who had advanced robotics of their own.

Robocop was generally well-liked by the populace, so if Kanemitsu was going to continue on with Delta City... which seems likely... they certainly kept Robocop around if for nothing more than good press.

Even if his original parts started to go, it shouldn't be unfeasible to just... transfer the living bits to a new frame. If THOSE parts go, it's much more of an issue but they should hold up just fine. Sure his operating system and such is out of date but it doesn't really matter?
 
Robocop was generally well-liked by the populace, so if Kanemitsu was going to continue on with Delta City... which seems likely... they certainly kept Robocop around if for nothing more than good press.

That sounds plausible.


Even if his original parts started to go, it shouldn't be unfeasible to just... transfer the living bits to a new frame.

Ooh, I love the idea of RoboCop being redesigned by Japanese engineers. Maybe he'd end up looking something like this.
 
I wish they stopped before 3.

I like the third movie better than the second, though that's faint praise. RoboCop 2 does some good work with the RoboCop/Murphy character in the first half-hour, but then abandons that and degenerates into a graceless, crass exercise in excess, where the original film's satire is replaced with gratuitous ultraviolence. (It’s rather astonishing to say that of the first two films, it’s the one by Paul Verhoeven that manages to be subtle.) The third movie is an improvement, with more restraint and more heart, although it's too broad and cartoony in some respects, with too much effort to turn RoboCop into a walking toy with interchangeable accessories.
 
How much of Murphy was left anyway? He has a rudimentary digestive system, which probably provides nutrients to keep his brain functioning, but how much of it is a brain/human tissue encased in that skull and how much of it is a processor. He has a human face, but that's probably stretched over a metallic framework, like a Terminator. I think, at some point, what's left of Murphy's brain is going to age and go through cognitive decline, resulting in it being completely replaced by a computer. The same goes for his digestive system. There will probably be nothing left of Murphy, but a program that thinks it's Murphy.
 
How much of Murphy was left anyway? He has a rudimentary digestive system, which probably provides nutrients...

As far back as 2000, you had the Chew Chew bot that ate sugar. Sergio Canavero thinks he can do a head transplant...

Neuromorphic computers from Helmholtz, Moire synaptic transistors, and Feng Guo's Brainoware (Indiana University) already has an organoid-on-a-chip that has learned speech recognition...so we are still a bit behind Robocop and Ghost In The Shell for the time being---only just now leaving the "stone knives and bear-skins" era of cybernetics.

Any download of personality will likely be gradual. Though some question how pliable the brain is--there have been cases where a functioning human with lesser amounts of brain matter manage to get by. Phinas Gage and all that.

The mind remains...flesh or silicon.

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How much of Murphy was left anyway? He has a rudimentary digestive system, which probably provides nutrients to keep his brain functioning, but how much of it is a brain/human tissue encased in that skull and how much of it is a processor. He has a human face, but that's probably stretched over a metallic framework, like a Terminator. I think, at some point, what's left of Murphy's brain is going to age and go through cognitive decline, resulting in it being completely replaced by a computer. The same goes for his digestive system. There will probably be nothing left of Murphy, but a program that thinks it's Murphy.

What's left is Murphy is basically his badly damaged brain and the minimum organs necessary to keep it alive. The second movie alleged that even his face was artificial ("They made this to honor him"), but that seems unlikely given that it still has a bullet hole in the forehead. He may have just said that to his wife to help convince her Murphy was dead. (Conversely, the 1988 Marvel Productions animated series depicted Robo as much more human, capable of eating, drinking, catching a cold, etc., and even able to remove his headgear like a motorcycle helmet rather than having it bolted to his skull. It foreshadows the 2014 reboot where Murphy wasn't actually killed before his Robo-conversion.)

In principle, RoboCop was governed by a computer program and Alex Murphy's brain was merely a supplement to facilitate the control of the body, since they had trouble cracking that problem cybernetically (e.g. ED-209 going out of control). The builders never anticipated that any of Murphy's memory or personalities would survive in his badly damaged cerebrum; after all, he was brain-dead when they got hold of his body. Most RoboCop productions assume that Robo is just Murphy in a mechanical body, and even the original film seemed to treat him that way by the final act; but I'm partial to the interpretation of RoboCop: The Series that RoboCop's personality is an amalgam of the RoboCop programming and the fragments of the deceased Alex Murphy's memories and personality that managed to survive. He's both Murphy and not-Murphy, which is why (in the series) he hides his identity from Murphy's family, feeling it woud hurt them too much to know.

So yes, Robo's functioning is dependent on the brain, and that brain is in pretty bad shape to start with. So it's questionable whether Robo even has the kind of life expectancy that Murphy would've had. On the other hand, since his life support systems don't have to take care of an entire body, maybe that would reduce the strain on the brain, heart, and whatever else survives and allow them to function longer.

Also, if Robo's personality is an amalgam of his programming and Murphy's memories, then it could be that the memories and their personality influence would live on in the cybernetic systems if a way were devised to replace the organic brain with a technological substitute. Though that seems iffy, since it's the interaction between the two that makes Robo who he is. It would be like replacing a hemisphere of a living person's brain and expecting them to be the same. Maybe it could be done if the replacement were gradual enough, a Ship of Theseus thing.
 
What's left is Murphy is basically his badly damaged brain and the minimum organs necessary to keep it alive. The second movie alleged that even his face was artificial ("They made this to honor him"), but that seems unlikely given that it still has a bullet hole in the forehead.

I think that line was meant more that there was no particular reason to keep his face other than someone having a soul at OCP and trying to do Murphy a solid. We know the original team building him tried to keep as much of Murphy as possible, but OCP didn't want that. "Lose the arm."

It is hard to say how much of Murphy's biological components actually matter, or even what he even has left. The original movie does imply that much of his internal organs are still there. The entire point of Project RC1569 was to preserve the brain of a veteran cop, so as to not have to train the otherwise robotic entity, so it makes sense that anything required for the brain to function was preserved in Murphy.

The thing is, I also think that Robocop could function without Murphy's brain. How much of "Murphy" would survive that is questionable, but Robocop could remain active. The brain seems to have been utilized as an information archive... they just wanted the computer to be able to pull Murphy's cop experience out. It just... ended up pulling too much out. The question is more how much active storage does Robocop's computer brain have, and how much of Murphy's memories/experience did it store locally.

Alex Murphy is dead. Robocop is a new, distinct entity that has access to Murphy's memories.
 
I think that line was meant more that there was no particular reason to keep his face other than someone having a soul at OCP and trying to do Murphy a solid.

But then he would've said "They kept this to honor him." He said "They made this," meaning that it was artificial. The idea of the scene was that he was convincing his wife that Murphy was dead and RoboCop was purely artificial, a comforting lie so she could let go of her husband and not be hurt by what he'd become. He was claiming that the face was merely a construct made to honor Murphy's memory, rather than something cut off her husband's corpse and ghoulishly grafted onto a machine. It's ambiguous whether he was telling the truth about the face being artificial or if it was part of the comforting lie, but I tend toward the latter interpretation, since it fits the overall intent of the scene.

(It's similar to the live-action series, Robo letting the family think Murphy was dead, although in that continuity, they didn't know that Robo was connected to Murphy at all because his face was always covered by the helmet in public. It was common knowledge among the police and the OCP execs, but he didn't want his family to know.)


Alex Murphy is dead. Robocop is a new, distinct entity that has access to Murphy's memories.

Yes, and one reason I love the live-action series is that it's the only incarnation, including the movies, that really shows that and explores what it means, rather than just treating Robo as Murphy in mech armor. Well, maybe the second movie somewhat does in its first act, but doesn't do much with it.
 
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