Actually, in Chicago it was something like 5PM Saturdays, then 4PM after Earth: Final Conflict premiered. It only aired earlier Saturday if baseball was pre-empting its normal timeslot. And at a 5PM timeslot, that made it far less vulnerable than the 2PM (Sinbad, Xena) or 3PM (Hercules) shows.Where I lived in it's last few seasons (Chicago) DS9 came on at 2pm on a Saturday afternoon which is probably the worst time slot ever and, like RoJoHen said, was often pre-empted by baseball in the spring. Voyager had a prime time slot on a (albeit fledgling) network, and though TNG was also syndicated, it maintained a 7pm Saturday slot for much of it's run if I recall.
You can see below by the averages listed. I'll put the top few in synd in parentheses. Voyager wasn't in synd, B5 was for all intents & purposes but sort of wasn't (the non-entity known as PTEN)That's an interesting point. Does anyone have a link to the list of top syndicated shows from that period?
I had more or less the same experience except it was on Thursday night and basketball. What's worse is they never announced when the rebroadcast would be, but it was usually like 3am-ish Sunday morning.I don't know what it was like for people in other areas, but I think syndication hurt DS9. Where I was living, DS9 aired on Sunday afternoons and was regularly pre-empted by baseball.
*sigh* I hate being a topic ender. Data overload I guess...
Facts don't quite bear that out. "Emissary" scored the single highest rating of any episode of all the Trek spinoffs (a whopping 21 overnight rating; I believe the final rating was 18 point something) and the ratings for the first two seasons was steady at near TNG levels. Ratings only dramatically and steadily decreased from season three onwards -- in other words, as soon as TNG left the airwaves.IMO DS9's ratings faltered because Emissary is/was a boring episode, and because with the exception of Winn, Bajorans are, more often than not, inherently annoying and unwatchable: including Kira in Emissary, and in most of the first season or two.
Maybe. But I wouldn't have been a part of that audience.Probably DS9 would have maintained most of its huge Emissary audience if there were no Bajorans or wormhole aliens in the series, and they instead started with the Dominion in episode one.
And did it drop immediately after the Pilot? I recall reading earlier in the thread, it didn't start dropping until S3, when TNG ended. Though, IMHO, although I enjoy more season 1 and 2 then most folks seem to, S3 is where it really found it's footing and started becoming something really, really specialWell people had just watched 6 seasons of TNG, maybe they just were trekked out and that was enough for them.
Actually, in Chicago it was something like 5PM Saturdays, then 4PM after Earth: Final Conflict premiered. It only aired earlier Saturday if baseball was pre-empting its normal timeslot. And at a 5PM timeslot, that made it far less vulnerable than the 2PM (Sinbad, Xena) or 3PM (Hercules) shows.Where I lived in it's last few seasons (Chicago) DS9 came on at 2pm on a Saturday afternoon which is probably the worst time slot ever and, like RoJoHen said, was often pre-empted by baseball in the spring. Voyager had a prime time slot on a (albeit fledgling) network, and though TNG was also syndicated, it maintained a 7pm Saturday slot for much of it's run if I recall.
Yes, a steep drop-off. But the pilot ratings were very high, probably due to a lot of TNG fans who wanted more of the same and then the drop-off because they didn't get it.And did it drop immediately after the Pilot?
Maybe it was Saturday. I was in Chicago as well. For some reason I remembered it being on Sundays. All I know is it was some awkward time in the middle of the afternoon.Actually, in Chicago it was something like 5PM Saturdays, then 4PM after Earth: Final Conflict premiered. It only aired earlier Saturday if baseball was pre-empting its normal timeslot. And at a 5PM timeslot, that made it far less vulnerable than the 2PM (Sinbad, Xena) or 3PM (Hercules) shows.Where I lived in it's last few seasons (Chicago) DS9 came on at 2pm on a Saturday afternoon which is probably the worst time slot ever and, like RoJoHen said, was often pre-empted by baseball in the spring. Voyager had a prime time slot on a (albeit fledgling) network, and though TNG was also syndicated, it maintained a 7pm Saturday slot for much of it's run if I recall.
I swear I remembered having to set my VCR to 2pm Saturdays on WGN Channel 9 back in those days, but I don't have any data to back that up, just the memory of a teenager.
During the 95-96 thru 98-99 seasons, Voyager averaged 83~87% of DS9's ratings that season. The 1 whole season of B5 data I have (Season 4, their 'best' season in terms of fandom. Only have a handful of eps from earlier seasons, which were higher rated but always on the cancellation bubble for that year), B5 averaged 59% of DS9's ratings that season.
Maybe it was Saturday. I was in Chicago as well. For some reason I remembered it being on Sundays. All I know is it was some awkward time in the middle of the afternoon.
In San Jose/Sunnyvale, UPN was Ch44 KBHK and DS9 was paired with B5 on Wednesday nights, and Voyager was on Monday Nights, and they were all in Prime Time. I was so surprised to learn over the last 5 years or so, that the 3 shows were shown at random times throughout the Country.During the 95-96 thru 98-99 seasons, Voyager averaged 83~87% of DS9's ratings that season. The 1 whole season of B5 data I have (Season 4, their 'best' season in terms of fandom. Only have a handful of eps from earlier seasons, which were higher rated but always on the cancellation bubble for that year), B5 averaged 59% of DS9's ratings that season.
This is really interesting. Back in those days I always assumed VOY had better ratings than DS9 because (where I lived at least) it had more advertising and a better timeslot. Then I moved from Chicago to SF Bay during the 98-99 seasons and I think both VOY and DS9 were both on the local UPN network (but don't quote me on that, that was years ago and I had a boyfriend so my ST viewing habits fell off a bit)
Sorry this is long, though usually when I explain things, I tend to go into detail.I love all the data! It's just a lot to process. Where are you drawing all this information from? Trade papers?
DS9 was on Sunday evenings on WGN in Seasons 1-2. That time was usually safe from baseball (baseball loves early afternoon games on Sundays), though would have put it up against the Bulls in part of their 1st dynasty and the interregnum potentially.Maybe it was Saturday. I was in Chicago as well. For some reason I remembered it being on Sundays. All I know is it was some awkward time in the middle of the afternoon.
I was digging up info on pre-emptions a while back, seeing where regular pre-emptions were and I've seen around a few series that SF fans seemed to be very happy with how SF series were treated there, whereas I think the NBC in SF was considered the worst in the nation for pre-emptions of scheduled programming.This is really interesting. Back in those days I always assumed VOY had better ratings than DS9 because (where I lived at least) it had more advertising and a better timeslot. Then I moved from Chicago to SF Bay during the 98-99 seasons and I think both VOY and DS9 were both on the local UPN network
You think that was bad for DS9 (or VOY)? In Chicago, fortunately DS9 still aired within the same week it premiered. Xena & Hercules aired 12-13 days after they're date of availability. If you wanted to discuss an episode, too late, everyone was talking about the next episode. Had something to do with WGN the superstation (cable) vs. WGN over-the-air (WGN Ch. 9). I'm guessing Renaissance felt its ratings might be threatened by Herc & Xena being on WGN superstation but not Paramount with DS9 being on it. Based on watching a lot of sci-fi/syndicated stuff then, everything on WGN except DS9 had the 2 week delay whereas anything syndicated on another channel (WPWR, WCIU, WFLD) aired within 1 week of the episode 'premiering' (most markets aired syndicated stuff on the weekends anyway).As it was, we always seemed to get the episode on the last day of the viewing window, so all my online buddies would already know what was going to happen up to a week before I did.
You must've gotten all the airings Detroit wasn't getting. I've read the UPN in Detroit was notorious for pre-emptions. Tigers then Red Wings & Pistons. Offhand can't remember where I read DS9 aired in Detroit, but it was one of the most unstable markets for Voyager (Boston was also bad for Voyager, but infinately worse for Babylon 5).Where I live (West Michigan), Star Trek: Deep Space Nine aired on the local Fox affiliate station (WXMI Fox 17 in Grand Rapids) on Sunday nights at 6 PM, and then during the third season they started showing each episode twice a week, starting at Friday nights at 10 PM, but the second airing in the old timeslot.
Wasn't "Emissary" the highest-rated episode in syndication history (or since syndication's revival in the '80s)? Pilots usually spike than drop, especially for series with high name recognition (Star Trek).Yes, a steep drop-off. But the pilot ratings were very high, probably due to a lot of TNG fans who wanted more of the same and then the drop-off because they didn't get it.
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