Did Bones create the mirror universe?

[Alyssa]

I'm sorry if this has been discused before but i got curious while watching 'City on the Edge of Forever'. Could Bones have inadvertantly created the mirror universe when, in an alterante timeline, he saved Edith Keller?

Considering the theory that all actions and decisions have conseqences if not here then in some other reality, then when he saved her and the Nazi's where able to conquer the USA ( and one would asume the rest of the world ) Nazi martial law would have been issued world wide, things such as Ruthlessness, brutality and harsh punishment aka flogging would eventually become common.

And the Nazi's where experimenting with space travel even then ( probably for tactical advantages but sill...) so there is no saying that they would not have experimented with warp drives. Which is what would have attracted the vulcans to earth just as in the regular timeline and allowed the MU People to kill them and steal their technology ( As seen in ST:ENT IAMD )

So could bones be ultimetly to blame for the existence of the mirror universe by doing something he isn't even aware of doing?

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

That's one of the theories I've seen banded about, but I don't buy it. It makes everything in Trek seem too connected. I like a universe that isn't so easily explained and that there are still mysteries that we can't fully solve.

However, for what happen to McCoy in the altered timeline I suggest reading the first book of the Pocket Books Crucible trilogy.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

No, Bones had nothing to do with the MU. It always existed. The point of divergence goes back to before Shakespearean times, at least. (look at IAMD when Phlox talks about how literature is different in the MU and the RU)

 

[Green Shirt]

Alyssa said:
he saved Edith Keller?

Whut? Hoo? The blind chick Helen Keeler?

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

klingongoat said:

Alyssa said:
he saved Edith Keller?

Whut? Hoo? The blind chick Helen Keeler?

Yes, in "The Joke on the Edge of Forever," Boned McCoy goes back in time through the Plot Donut to stop the blind-mute Helen Keeler from becoming the butt of every taste-less joke.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

middyseafort said:

klingongoat said:

Alyssa said:
he saved Edith Keller?

Whut? Hoo? The blind chick Helen Keeler?

Yes, in "The Joke on the Edge of Forever," Boned McCoy goes back in time through the Plot Donut to stop the blind-mute Helen Keeler from becoming the butt of every taste-less joke.

Stunning input, to say the least. What do you have against the episode, really?

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

TheLonelySquire said:

middyseafort said:

klingongoat said:

Alyssa said:
he saved Edith Keller?

Whut? Hoo? The blind chick Helen Keeler?

Yes, in "The Joke on the Edge of Forever," Boned McCoy goes back in time through the Plot Donut to stop the blind-mute Helen Keeler from becoming the butt of every taste-less joke.

Stunning input, to say the least. What do you have against the episode, really?

Okay, it was a joke. Maybe not the funniest joke but I don't have anything against the episode; in fact, it is my favorite episode of all TOS and Harlan Ellison is one of my favorite writers for his prose, fiction and non-fiction. I also really love the original script despite the shoehorned bit with the Enterprise becoming the Condor.

Geez, get a funny bone will ya.

 

[ElScoob]

(Whoops... somehow missed the bit about the Condor in the previous post!)

Interestingly, Ellison's original script for CotEoF actually did suggest something kind of along these lines: rather than the Enterprise ceasing to exist, in the altered timeline it became a pirate starship called the Condor. It featured a sequence with the landing party returning to the ship and discovering the change.

Point being, shoehorned though it was, it did introduce elements similar to the mirror universe...

For my part, I wonder what a mirror universe version of "City" would have been like. Hard to imagine any good coming of a power-hungry mirror Kirk getting his hands on the Guardian...

 

[Hofner]

Apologies for being off-topic but Helen Keller was blind and deaf, I don't think she was mute. I'm not criticizing anybody's humor here, just thought I'd straigten this out.

Robert

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

hofner said:
Apologies for being off-topic but Helen Keller was blind and deaf, I don't think she was mute. I'm not criticizing anybody's humor here, just thought I'd straigten this out.

Robert

I also want to clarify that I don't have anything against Helen Keller despite my attempts at taste-less humor. Guess, I got boned all around by this little joke. (And I do mean "little.")

 

[ChristopherPike]

It's a theory I recall being around when ENT S4 began with "Storm Front". Personally I don't think the Mirror Universe ever splintered off from our timeline at any point. Events basically happened over there in a similar way, rather than diverging from a single event like the Nazi's winning WWII. Such an event would probably have led to a nuclear holocaust in the 60's, Fascism and Communism as opposing superpowers both bent on global domination, armed with mutual destructive capablity.

 

[Green Shirt]

middyseafort said:

klingongoat said:

Alyssa said:
he saved Edith Keller?

Whut? Hoo? The blind chick Helen Keeler?

Yes, in "The Joke on the Edge of Forever," Boned McCoy goes back in time through the Plot Donut to stop the blind-mute Helen Keeler from becoming the butt of every taste-less joke.

At least she isn't being mistaken for Anne Frank.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

klingongoat said:

middyseafort said:

klingongoat said:

Alyssa said:
he saved Edith Keller?

Whut? Hoo? The blind chick Helen Keeler?

Yes, in "The Joke on the Edge of Forever," Boned McCoy goes back in time through the Plot Donut to stop the blind-mute Helen Keeler from becoming the butt of every taste-less joke.

At least she isn't being mistaken for Anne Frank.

In the words of Peter Griffin, "... too soon?"

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

klingongoat said:
At least she isn't being mistaken for Anne Frank.

Ahh gotta love the obscure Kevin Smith references

 

[Furlong]

I remember a TNG novel, Dark Mirror, in which Picard, after infiltrating the ISS Enterprise, looks at the books his mirror universe has, and apparently th divide goes as far back as the time of Shakespeare, at least.

I know it's not canon, but I like the idea.

 

[Green Shirt]

EliyahuQeoni said:

klingongoat said:
At least she isn't being mistaken for Anne Frank.

Ahh gotta love the obscure Kevin Smith references

Who's Kevin Smith?






















Kidding.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Furlong said:
I remember a TNG novel, Dark Mirror, in which Picard, after infiltrating the ISS Enterprise, looks at the books his mirror universe has, and apparently th divide goes as far back as the time of Shakespeare, at least.

I know it's not canon, but I like the idea.

Which Phlox states in IaMD part II to T'Pol. If you watch the latest episode of the fan series Starship Farragut they have another theory.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

middyseafort said:If you watch the latest episode of the fan series Starship Farragut they have another theory.

Which is?

 

[SonicRanger]

Regarding parallel universes:

par·al·lel - adj. - Of, relating to, or designating two or more straight lines or planes that do not intersect.

Parallel universes don't diverge or converge -- they're parallel.

 

[Nebusj]

Well, I'm glad we have that cleared up. Now we don't ever need to be confused about what we mean by parallel universes.