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Diane Duane and the Rihannsu saga

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It had been just a couple of years since I had been exposed to Diane Duane's writing, after finding some of her books in my ever-growing stack of unread Trek novels.

Spock's World is now a favorite of mine and I also quite liked The Wounded Sky and Dark Mirror. But from what I read online, Duane's main Trek work had been the Rihannsu saga.

While I had My Enemy, My Ally and The Romulan Way, I never started them (not in recent years, at least), and I bought The Empty Chair in 2006, but waited to find Honor Blade and Swordhunt - which in a couple of days will arrive :cool:

I was wondering if any other Duane books figured in the Rihannsu saga, and are these really a must-read..
 
I was wondering if any other Duane books figured in the Rihannsu saga, and are these really a must-read..

No, you've pretty much got the whole Duaneverse there. The other Trek novels she did besides the ones you listed, TOS: Doctor's Orders and TNG: Intellivore, are standalones. Although Intellivore does elaborate on a phenomenon mentioned briefly in The Romulan Way; there was a threat that caused the loss of several Rihannsu ships on the exodus from Vulcan, and the menace in Intellivore is implicitly the same entity, although no direct reference to The Romulan Way is made.

And I hate to tell you, but you would've been better off getting the omnibus Rihannsu: The Bloodwing Voyages rather than the separate Swordhunt and Honor Blade volumes, because those volumes in their original form make some chronological assumptions that don't gibe with the rest of the Rihannsu series.
 
Those 5 books constitute the extent of the Rihannsu saga, and they are an absolute must-read.

Diane's husband Peter Morwood wrote the TOS novel Rules of Engagement, which contains enough references to the "Duaneverse" make it a part of it, in my mind at least.
 
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FWIW, I'm happier with the original versions of the Rihannsu books, complete with era-jumps from pre-TMP second 5 year mission, to TOS era and finally to post-TMP. Much more appealing to me than the 'censored' canon-friendly version.
 
FWIW, I'm happier with the original versions of the Rihannsu books, complete with era-jumps from pre-TMP second 5 year mission, to TOS era and finally to post-TMP. Much more appealing to me than the 'censored' canon-friendly version.

What are you talking about? There was no "censoring," just a few minor tweaks of date and rank references. And it wasn't about forcing it to be "canon-friendly," just about making the whole sequence of books internally consistent.
 
The word "censored" was meant in jest, but in essence Diane Duane kinda was censoring her work to comply with the (then and then again) current canon of Trek. Wasn't Nurse Chapel cut out of one of the versions? Censorship! (just kidding)

I interpret the saga's movement from a pre-TMP second 5YM to TOS (in Swordhunt) as making it "canon friendly" - by then the Star Trek Chronology had established that there was no second 5YM prior to TMP (admittedly, TMP itself mentioned it too). Thus the story was moved, right? To make it conform?
 
The word "censored" was meant in jest, but in essence Diane Duane kinda was censoring her work to comply with the (then and then again) current canon of Trek.

As I said, that is a misinterpretation of the purpose of the revisions. It wasn't about complying with current canon, it was about making the series internally consistent. There were three different sets of chronological assumptions among these different books, and since they were being reissued, the decision was made to ensure they were all consistent with each other -- something that is often done when a series of books is republished in a new edition or omnibus form.

Wasn't Nurse Chapel cut out of one of the versions?

No. A reference to her pursuing her doctorate was removed because it was inconsistent with the chronology that was ultimately settled on for the series as a whole.

See, even aside from modern canon, the books were chronologically inconsistent with each other. The Romulan Way is explicitly set after Spock's World (because McCoy is already familiar with K's't'lk), and Spock's World is set after TMP. But TRW is also stated to be about one year after My Enemy, My Ally -- and we know from TMP that Kirk was not in command of the ship for 2.8 years. Therefore, putting ME,MA before TMP is inconsistent even by the standard of the books' internal chronology, given what was known about Trek chronology at the time they were written. This wasn't about conformity to modern canon, it was simply about correcting an inconsistency within the book series itself.


I interpret the saga's movement from a pre-TMP second 5YM to TOS (in Swordhunt) as making it "canon friendly" - by then the Star Trek Chronology had established that there was no second 5YM prior to TMP (admittedly, TMP itself mentioned it too). Thus the story was moved, right? To make it conform?

As I said, when the books were reprinted as an omnibus, the opportunity was taken to correct their mistakes, including textual errors and internal inconsistencies. Duane and her editor had to choose what timeframe they wanted to go with, and they chose a post-TMP timeframe. That makes sense even by the series' internal logic, for the reasons I discuss above, and because even The Wounded Sky and ME,MA read like post-TMP in every respect besides character ranks and uniform colors.

(Although actually I found that a number of errors in the original text were not corrected in the omnibus, a number of new errors were introduced, and a number of things were changed arbitrarily, such as decapitalizing a lot of terms capitalized in the original and excising all references to "Powers" in The Romulan Way in favor of "Elements." I actually prefer my original editions of ME,MA and TRW over the ones in the omnibus, though I prefer the omnibus version of Swordhunt.)
 
well, as I got Sworthunt and Honor Blade for 1.00 USD each (and the shipping cost was minimal, as it was a part of a 10 Trek novel buy on Abebooks), I think it was worth it :techman:

Not to mention that the Omnibus is a TPB, which makes it stand out on the shelf when set next to The Empty Chair, which is MMPB - I like to have my Trek npvels all in the same size, if possible (just *one* of my eccentricities :rolleyes:)
 
I have the sci-fi book club edition of them, the hardcover. Is that version the pre-weaked? Haven't read yet.
 
I hadn't taken Duane's non-Rihannsu books into consideration. I get why the era was moved in the first place for Swordhunt now.

I haven't read the omnibus version, and if I were to re-read the lot of them I'd still prefer to read the originals, changing premises and all. But that's just me.
 
The other Trek novels she did besides the ones you listed, TOS: Doctor's Orders and TNG: Intellivore, are standalones.

And Duane character linguist Janíce Kerasus appeared in Doctor's Orders, so it can be considered to be connected to the larger "Duaneverse" as well.
 
The other Trek novels she did besides the ones you listed, TOS: Doctor's Orders and TNG: Intellivore, are standalones.

And Duane character linguist Janíce Kerasus appeared in Doctor's Orders, so it can be considered to be connected to the larger "Duaneverse" as well.

Actually, that does beg the question - does a character appearance make the novel a part on an overall arc or series, or does that novel have to include a plot point or a theme to be considered that?

Going by your line of thought, Turtletrekker, every one of Peter David's novels from Strike Zone to the latest NF (including the YA novels centered on Worf), is a part of the overall "PADverse arc"...
 
And Duane character linguist Janíce Kerasus appeared in Doctor's Orders, so it can be considered to be connected to the larger "Duaneverse" as well.

"Doctor's Orders" does give new/different "first contacts" for some of the aliens on planet Flyspeck. They and Janíce, and many other Duane characters had previously featured in the computer game, "The Kobayashi Alternative", for which Duane provided the text and storylines.

Janíce Kerasus also featured in the SCE eBook, War Stories, Book One.
 
And Duane character linguist Janíce Kerasus appeared in Doctor's Orders, so it can be considered to be connected to the larger "Duaneverse" as well.

As did Nurse Lia Burke. But this book was published in the Richard Arnold era when internovel continuity and concepts diverging from the Roddenberrian norm were forbidden. So Duane was only allowed to use her human characters -- none of the rich multispecies Enterprise crew she'd established before -- and couldn't make any reference to any events from her prior novels.

Indeed, Doctor's Orders contradicts the Duaneverse/Rihannsu chronology as we now understand it, since it's a 5-year-mission novel, putting it years before the currently accepted timeframe of The Wounded Sky, and yet TWS established Lia Burke as a newcomer to the Enterprise. So just because it uses a couple of the same characters, that doesn't automatically put it in the same continuity.
 
Maybe she was a newcomer to the refitted Enterprise in TWS? Other than the senior staff, you could argue almost everyone else was new.

Other than the cover pic (and they never got those right back then) I don't recall anything specific saying Doctor's Orders was set during the 5YM. But it was a while ago...
 
Maybe she was a newcomer to the refitted Enterprise in TWS?

What I meant is that The Wounded Sky shows Kirk meeting Lia Burke for the very first time. It was unambiguously her first tour aboard the Enterprise in any incarnation.

Other than the cover pic (and they never got those right back then) I don't recall anything specific saying Doctor's Orders was set during the 5YM. But it was a while ago...

Sulu and Uhura are lieutenants and Chekov is an ensign. Chekov is a navigator and assistant science officer while Sulu handles tactical as well as helm. That puts it in the series era.


Oh, and there's one more pre-existing human Duane character who's mentioned in Doctor's Orders, the transporter operator Lt. Renner. She's such a bit player that I'd forgotten about her until I saw her name while skimming through the book just now.
 
Naraht and Kerasus also appeared in Diane Duane's TOS DC Series one two parter Double Blind. She wrote some other comics, but I haven't gotten that far into the series, so I don't know if any of her characters appear or not.
 
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