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Defiant vs other Federation Starships

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I've not seen a ton of DS9 relative to the earlier series, and I was just reading about the Defiant on Memory Alpha.

Supposedly it was deployed to counter an enemy that had recently destroyed a Galaxy class starship. Can one infer from this that the Defiant might itself be capable of destroying a Galaxy Class, say, the Enterprise D? Is the Defiant supposed to be that powerful?
 
I've not seen a ton of DS9 relative to the earlier series, and I was just reading about the Defiant on Memory Alpha.

Supposedly it was deployed to counter an enemy that had recently destroyed a Galaxy class starship. Can one infer from this that the Defiant might itself be capable of destroying a Galaxy Class, say, the Enterprise D? Is the Defiant supposed to be that powerful?
I just watched They Were Expendable last night. While they overplayed the actual history for dramatic effect the PT boats took out a cruiser. By any standard every starship carries WMDs and with a good hit can take out anything.

The Federation did not want to keep a starship around Bajor, even with hostile species on the other side of the wormhole. They gave Sisko what they considered a failed prototype. More of an upgunned runabout then a show of Federation force fleet flagship
 
Depends, does the Captain of the Galaxy class come from the Riker school of stationary combat?
 
Supposedly it was deployed to counter an enemy that had recently destroyed a Galaxy class starship. Can one infer from this that the Defiant might itself be capable of destroying a Galaxy Class, say, the Enterprise D? Is the Defiant supposed to be that powerful?

The only thing we could base this on would be the Defiant's combat performance against the USS Lakota, an upgraded Excelsior-class. The two ships seemed to be evenly matched in head-to-head combat.

A Galaxy class would be an even tougher opponent. COULD the Defiant destroy a Galaxy-class? Sure. But like everything, it's probably going to depend on the skill of the ship's captain. Sisko up against a mediocre captain of a Galaxy-class, I'll give the edge to Sisko and the Defiant. A regular captain commanding the Defiant up against a regular captain commanding a Galaxy-class, I think the Galaxy class would win.
 
The Defiant is a "pure" warship, while the Galaxy class is a multi-purpose vessel so I believe a Defiant could defeat a Galaxy, if it is the USS Defiant given it has ablative armour and a cloaking device it increases that ship's odds of a victory.

There is no doubt that the Galaxy class is a powerful combatant, the E-D didn't last 8 years just because Picard blinded the enemy with the shine off the top of his head. In "Sacrifice of Angels" was probably the most telling showing of a Galaxy in combat when they incredibly easily dispatched two Galor class vessels. It is a massive vessel and if you were to just completely outfit it into a warship it would crap all over the Defiant in killing power. Its size also allows it to spread its damage over a large area, hits that penetrate the shields and hull have to do more work to hit really important things.

As for the Defiant it got the hero ship treatment, which skews it towards uber. For example in "Tears of the Prophets" a Galaxy is engaged by a OWP and it immediately penetrates that ship's shields and starts burning away the hull (though unlike the warbird in the earlier shot the Galaxy keeps going) whereas the Defiant takes multiple hits with no signs of damage, which flies in the face of all the other scenes we see. No ship other then the Defiant seems to resist the enemy fire at all. The Defiant also was able to take out a Keldon class just as quickly as the Galaxys took out the Galor in SoA and the ship was been controlled by Maquis and not a highly trained Starfleet crew who have been working with the ship for several months.

Compared to the other ships of its size the Defiant is the clear winner, BoPs, Hidekis, Jem'Hadar attack ships and Breen warships exploded if the Defiant thought about heading in their direction. Been small the Defiant appears to be quicker and more manoeuvrable at impulse but it is compact and once you get past shields there is less hull between the enemy and important systems. However, the Defiant has shown to be hardy without shields, though 2 minutes without shields and with a Vor'cha on its tail is thought to be a bridge too far. In "Changing Face of Evil" the Defiant is just about the last Fed alliance ship to go explody under Breen fire yet it was the first disabled. The Defiant and three BoP were too much for a Jem'Hadar battle cruiser (a surprisingly large one at that) in SoA, which is given its size could be comparable to a Galaxy class.

As for verse Fed ships they only time we see it do that is in "Paradise Lost" when it goes up against a uprated Excelsior class. In that battle despite letting the Lakota get in the first half a dozen hits (the first two dropped its port shields to 60%), both going to disable the other and seeing the Lakota get 100% hits and the Defiant missing 1/3 of the time with phaser. When it comes down to the end the Defiant is ahead and can finish the Lakota with one more good hit. So now it is would a Lakota type Excelsior beat a Galaxy?

It would be a tough fight between the two ships and as said above the crew would probably make the most significant difference. The one that is better able to handle the situation, the one that is more skilled at their jobs, the one that not only knows their vessel but their opponent as well will be the one left standing. If it is the Defiant vs E-D, the writers would probably stalemate it or give the victory to the one that had Worf on it.
 
But then a Sovereign Class Enterprise was referred to as the most advanced ship in the fleet, and came to the Defiant's rescue.

Then how would a Defiant class do against a Prometheus Class ship with it's multi-vector assault mode and stuff.

And plus wasn't the Defiant Class development prompted by the Borg threat where Sisko was involved in it's development....
 
The Defiant was supposed to be designed to fight the Borg, the idea is as a result it was designed to be tougher, more durable and have greater firepower.

When the Odyssey was destroyed by the Jem Hadar ships without seeming to make a dent in them, it was shocking and made the Galaxy's stock go down.

Then comes the Defiant and quickly destroys Jem Hadar vessels sometimes six at a time, without taking much damage. It gets a fearsome reputation.



Then, the Galaxy class ships definetly got our attention in Sacrifice of Angels where two of them do a beautiful pass by the Galor and destroy it in less than 3 minutes.

And Galors are tough in their own right.

Also in one scene in the background, after the Defiant loses its two escorts, you can see what looks to be a Galaxy class ship destroying a larger Dominion battlecruiser, though it's hard to make out.


It made us start thinking of them as powerful, graceful, battleships once again.

The Galaxy class looks dangerous enough to hold its own against a Defiant class ship.

The Excelsior-especially the upgraded one Worf fought, also looked pretty dangerous.

What's nice about Galaxys are that they can hit you from almost any angle because of that circular phaser array. That may be why they were seen standing still just firing in the W.Y.L.B battle scene.

Actually almost any Starfleet ship has this ability because of their design.
 
Against the Defiant:
*Middling Shields
* Little slow
*Nothing seemingly outstanding about its beam phasers

Fort the Defiant:
*Ablative Armor
*Cloak
*Pulse Phasers (very effective up close-ask the Jems in the huge battle cruiser)
*Quantum Torpedoes
*Very maneuverable

It would be a good fight w/a Galaxy class, but boom would go the big ship
 
The Defiant is a "pure" warship, while the Galaxy class is a multi-purpose vessel so I believe a Defiant could defeat a Galaxy, if it is the USS Defiant given it has ablative armour and a cloaking device it increases that ship's odds of a victory.

There is no doubt that the Galaxy class is a powerful combatant, the E-D didn't last 8 years just because Picard blinded the enemy with the shine off the top of his head. In "Sacrifice of Angels" was probably the most telling showing of a Galaxy in combat when they incredibly easily dispatched two Galor class vessels. It is a massive vessel and if you were to just completely outfit it into a warship it would crap all over the Defiant in killing power. Its size also allows it to spread its damage over a large area, hits that penetrate the shields and hull have to do more work to hit really important things.

As for the Defiant it got the hero ship treatment, which skews it towards uber. For example in "Tears of the Prophets" a Galaxy is engaged by a OWP and it immediately penetrates that ship's shields and starts burning away the hull (though unlike the warbird in the earlier shot the Galaxy keeps going) whereas the Defiant takes multiple hits with no signs of damage, which flies in the face of all the other scenes we see. No ship other then the Defiant seems to resist the enemy fire at all. The Defiant also was able to take out a Keldon class just as quickly as the Galaxys took out the Galor in SoA and the ship was been controlled by Maquis and not a highly trained Starfleet crew who have been working with the ship for several months.

Compared to the other ships of its size the Defiant is the clear winner, BoPs, Hidekis, Jem'Hadar attack ships and Breen warships exploded if the Defiant thought about heading in their direction. Been small the Defiant appears to be quicker and more manoeuvrable at impulse but it is compact and once you get past shields there is less hull between the enemy and important systems. However, the Defiant has shown to be hardy without shields, though 2 minutes without shields and with a Vor'cha on its tail is thought to be a bridge too far. In "Changing Face of Evil" the Defiant is just about the last Fed alliance ship to go explody under Breen fire yet it was the first disabled. The Defiant and three BoP were too much for a Jem'Hadar battle cruiser (a surprisingly large one at that) in SoA, which is given its size could be comparable to a Galaxy class.

As for verse Fed ships they only time we see it do that is in "Paradise Lost" when it goes up against a uprated Excelsior class. In that battle despite letting the Lakota get in the first half a dozen hits (the first two dropped its port shields to 60%), both going to disable the other and seeing the Lakota get 100% hits and the Defiant missing 1/3 of the time with phaser. When it comes down to the end the Defiant is ahead and can finish the Lakota with one more good hit. So now it is would a Lakota type Excelsior beat a Galaxy?

It would be a tough fight between the two ships and as said above the crew would probably make the most significant difference. The one that is better able to handle the situation, the one that is more skilled at their jobs, the one that not only knows their vessel but their opponent as well will be the one left standing. If it is the Defiant vs E-D, the writers would probably stalemate it or give the victory to the one that had Worf on it.

The answer to most of your questions is that the Defiant had ablative armor, something the Galaxy class and other starfleet ships didn't have and remember the captain of the Lakota said someone forgot to mention to her that the Defiant had ablative armor and suggested that is the reason why the Lakota couldn't disable the Defiant quickly.
 
The Delta Flyer kicked major tail! It was no match for the USS Defiant, but it was still cool. Kudos to Tom Paris for ingenuity.
 
It would shred the ED.

The only Fed ships that could stand up to the Defiant is the E-E and the Prometheus.
 
Defiant's Scores:

Birds of Prey-check
D-7-check
Spanked a Mirror Negh Vahr's Ass and sent it running-check

Keldon-check
Galor-check

Breen Warship-check
Bad Ass Dominion Battle Cruiser-check
Many many many Dominion Fighters (that the Ody couldn't touch)-check

Even hung in there w/crappy crew of a bunch of pricks (no AA, no cloak) w/the Dominion Heavy Battle Ship before being (finally) destroyed-LMAO

Vs the Lakota....Worf was very hesitant to fire.....they didn't cloak...and the Lakota was in worse shape than the Defiant.
My assertion that the Lakota had gotten some of the newest upgrades phaser and sheilding-wise. Perhaps a testing mule for ships like the Sov class
 
Of all the things Starfleet forgot when it comes to the Defiant, the most glaring omission is a crew. When it was sent out on a mission, it was sent out with the commander of DS9, the station’s first officer and Bajoran liason officer, the chief of station security, the chief of station operations, the station’s chief science officer, the station’s chief medical officer, and, whenever they could think of an excuse, the proprietor of the station’s pub. Who ran the station while they were gone?
 
Of all the things Starfleet forgot when it comes to the Defiant, the most glaring omission is a crew. When it was sent out on a mission, it was sent out with the commander of DS9, the station’s first officer and Bajoran liason officer, the chief of station security, the chief of station operations, the station’s chief science officer, the station’s chief medical officer, and, whenever they could think of an excuse, the proprietor of the station’s pub. Who ran the station while they were gone?

Morn!
 
Of all the things Starfleet forgot when it comes to the Defiant, the most glaring omission is a crew. When it was sent out on a mission, it was sent out with the commander of DS9, the station’s first officer and Bajoran liason officer, the chief of station security, the chief of station operations, the station’s chief science officer, the station’s chief medical officer, and, whenever they could think of an excuse, the proprietor of the station’s pub. Who ran the station while they were gone?

Morn!

:guffaw: Imagine him having to deal with grumpy starship captains and Bajoran diplomats.

In seriousness, I think that officers like Eddington were meant to take over in the meantime, though it is a glaring oddity just having one senior officer running the station.

Maybe they should have done a 'lower deck's episode with DS9 crew members running the station while the Defiant was off with the senior crew? Would be cool to see more scenes with Bajoran and Starfleet crew interacting, and seeing what the younger Starfleet officers think of their posting.
 
Defiant's Scores:

Birds of Prey-check
D-7-check
Spanked a Mirror Negh Vahr's Ass and sent it running-check

Keldon-check
Galor-check

Breen Warship-check
Bad Ass Dominion Battle Cruiser-check
Many many many Dominion Fighters (that the Ody couldn't touch)-check

Even hung in there w/crappy crew of a bunch of pricks (no AA, no cloak) w/the Dominion Heavy Battle Ship before being (finally) destroyed-LMAO

Vs the Lakota....Worf was very hesitant to fire.....they didn't cloak...and the Lakota was in worse shape than the Defiant.
My assertion that the Lakota had gotten some of the newest upgrades phaser and sheilding-wise. Perhaps a testing mule for ships like the Sov class

Did the Defiant not have her hull blown to 1000000 pieces the first time it met a Breen Warship? Not so for a wee out of date BOP though ;)
 
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