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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Ok, I was worried that Dwayne and this movie's producers didn't quite get the Black Adam character, but this trailer laid my fears to rest. Looks great.
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
Though why does every hero's mask now have to be crazy nano technology to appear and disappear (besides the ability to lazily keep removing it when convenient to see the actor's face).
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I would guess it's partly riding a trend, and partly a matter of practicality. If you look at older shows, there's almost always a cutaway when a masked or cowled character takes off their mask, because pulling it off would smear the actor's makeup, and sometimes the makeup is notably different with and without the mask (like how masked characters going back to Michael Keaton's Batman often have dark eye makeup that miraculously vanishes when they unmask).

Also because sometimes, e.g. with the Flash in earlier seasons, Spider-Man in the movies, and Daredevil in the Netflix series, the "cowl off" version is a different costume altogether from the "cowl on" version, cheating the way the cowl looks folded back or having it be an integrated piece when it's on but a separate piece when it's removed. They want it to look good in both configurations, and often you can't do that with an actual removable cowl or mask, so they fake it by cutting between two separate costumes.

With digitally animated nanotech masks/cowls, you can have the superhero take the mask off on-camera without having to worry about those practical problems. So the actor can perform the scene continuously without having to break for a costume/makeup change.
 
Christopher said:
I would guess it's partly riding a trend, and partly a matter of practicality. If you look at older shows, there's almost always a cutaway when a masked or cowled character takes off their mask, because pulling it off would smear the actor's makeup, and sometimes the makeup is notably different with and without the mask (like how masked characters going back to Michael Keaton's Batman often have dark eye makeup that miraculously vanishes when they unmask).

Also because sometimes, e.g. with the Flash in earlier seasons, Spider-Man in the movies, and Daredevil in the Netflix series, the "cowl off" version is a different costume altogether from the "cowl on" version, cheating the way the cowl looks folded back or having it be an integrated piece when it's on but a separate piece when it's removed. They want it to look good in both configurations, and often you can't do that with an actual removable cowl or mask, so they fake it by cutting between two separate costumes.

With digitally animated nanotech masks/cowls, you can have the superhero take the mask off on-camera without having to worry about those practical problems. So the actor can perform the scene continuously without having to break for a costume/makeup change.
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Makes sense for the skintight stuff especially.

But Hawkman has a helmet. Just take it off like every other football movie character. (Oh, now I'm waiting for the next football movie, "The More Longest Yard" where all the helmets can nano themselves off and on.)

But he probably has no makeup on underneath that (or at least applied differently) so that's at least a time saver on set. Maybe. Actually, no, it's a laziness thing since they'd have to film him with and without it anyways, even for the CGI transition UNLESS the helmet is CGI for the majority of the film, which it very well could be.

I don't mind it in some cases, but for a bigger and bulkier helmet it feels unnecessary. It will just be explained as Nth metal tech, of course. I think nu52 did it that way as I recall, it's been awhile and I have no intention of ever reading those issues again!
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
But he probably has no makeup on underneath that (or at least applied differently) so that's at least a time saver on set. Maybe. Actually, no, it's a laziness thing since they'd have to film him with and without it anyways, even for the CGI transition UNLESS the helmet is CGI for the majority of the film, which it very well could be.
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Often in superhero movies these days, the costumes don't even exist physically but are entirely animated onto the actors as CGI. That lets them look more advanced, shiny, intricate, etc. than they could be in real life, and it gives the actors more freedom to focus on their performance without the costume getting in the way.
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
(Oh, now I'm waiting for the next football movie, "The More Longest Yard" where all the helmets can nano themselves off and on.)
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:guffaw: :guffaw: :guffaw:

This *did* bring up some questions for me:
  • Are Doctor Fate and Black Adam tied like in the comics?
  • Since this is the JSA, is this a different Earth?
  • Is this Hawkman the alien or the reincarnated prince or something else altogether?
  • Where did the JSA get the money for that plane hangar!?!?! :lol:
 
Christopher said:
(like how masked characters going back to Michael Keaton's Batman often have dark eye makeup that miraculously vanishes when they unmask).
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Whenever I see that, I always wonder if it's supposed to be makeup or just part of the mask that they just faked with makeup.
I can't remember for sure, but I think in The Batman, he actually still had the makeup on around his eyes when he took of the cowl.
 
JD said:
Whenever I see that, I always wonder if it's supposed to be makeup or just part of the mask that they just faked with makeup.
I can't remember for sure, but I think in The Batman, he actually still had the makeup on around his eyes when he took of the cowl.
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I know on Arrow, at least at one point, when Oliver took off his domino mask he would still have makeup around his eyes, and so did Thea (his sister) during her time as a hero.
 
Commander Troi said:
:guffaw: :guffaw: :guffaw:

This *did* bring up some questions for me:
  • Are Doctor Fate and Black Adam tied like in the comics?
  • Is this Hawkman the alien or the reincarnated prince or something else altogether?
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That's interesting as two JSA'ers could potentially have a long standing history with Adam.

As for CGI masks, the reality is that masks are often done with CGI even when they are supposed to be real. Just take a look at the filming of No Way Home.
 
Commander Troi said:
Since this is the JSA, is this a different Earth?
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Since Amanda Waller appeared, probably not. Maybe they're just a secret team, or an old, pre-Superman one coming out of retirement, or something. Or, heck, since it's pretty much all people of color (EDIT: except Doctor Fate), maybe the mainstream media in the DCEU just ignore them in favor of the white-appearing superheroes.


JD said:
Whenever I see that, I always wonder if it's supposed to be makeup or just part of the mask that they just faked with makeup.
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The Batman is the exception, but usually the makeup disappears when the cowl/mask comes off. So either it's meant to be part of the mask, or it's just done for effect and is not supposed to be taken literally (like Spock's eye shadow in the original Star Trek, which wasn't supposed to be actual in-universe eye shadow but just a stage-makeup effect to make his eyes look more sunken/hooded).

In the Arrowverse, the "makeup" was evidently meant as some kind of skintight nanotech layer. In Batwoman, it could even extend night-vision membranes over her eyes, making her look white-eyed like the standard comics rendering of cowled Bat-heroes. That was a weird-looking effect.
 
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JD said:
Whenever I see that, I always wonder if it's supposed to be makeup or just part of the mask that they just faked with makeup.
I can't remember for sure, but I think in The Batman, he actually still had the makeup on around his eyes when he took of the cowl.
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Reduces glare.
 
Commander Troi said:
:guffaw: :guffaw: :guffaw:

This *did* bring up some questions for me:
Are Doctor Fate and Black Adam tied like in the comics?
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Some early rumors along with fans trying to analyze snippets of footage suggest they are connected in some way. Considering who Fate is in the DC universe, it would not be a stretch if he's the JSA point-man, in other words, the one who will scout / attempt to make meaningful contact with Black Adam, while the other team members take the aggressive approach.

Since this is the JSA, is this a different Earth?
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I'm not certain it is, now that we know Waller is in the film; no one ever said the main earth where the heroes of MOS/BVS/WW/SS/AM, etc. exist are short on other super-beings--they just needed to be found. Perhaps the JSA's members were a contingency plan of Waller's (more reliable than her Task Force X / Suicide Squad idea, because you know...they're a pack of unreliable criminals), and acting as a potential countermeasure to Wayne starting the Justice League.
Is this Hawkman the alien or the reincarnated prince or something else altogether?
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Being a member of the JSA--and the fact Aldis Hodge is listed as "Carter Hall" in the credits, we should suspect he might be the reincarnation of Egyptian Prince Khufu, which would be great, and with the casting of Hodge as said reincarnation, would not fall into the historically inaccurate "Euro/white Egyptian" myth that was pushed throughout entertainment all the way up to this day, and also appears in endless "history" documentary reenactments.
Where did the JSA get the money for that plane hangar!?!?!
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Perhaps that's where Waller comes in--or one of the other JSA-ers have the cash to pay for the hangar and advanced aircraft.
 
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