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Classic G.I. Joe and Transformers Animated thoughts

by and large, the Transformers comics don't take place in the Marvel Universe. there were early appearances by Spidey and Nick Fury, as well as editorial notes tying them to MU events, but that was dropped before issue 20 and since then, Transformers was seperate to the MU. the Joes were never connected to the MU. there was one appearance of Hulk in a Joe comic, but it turned out it was an actor dressed up, doing a store promotion.
 
One question I'd like to get answered by an expert. How come there was never a G.I. Joe and Transformers team up? Marvel had a comic series dedicated to that idea long ago in a 4 part mini series. Was there an animated team up planned?

Well Cobra Commander did appear on Transformers,though he wasn't called that instead he was called Old Snake but it was clearly him and he almost did the Cobra scream but started coughing and the Transformer's character Marissa Faireborn is supposedly the daughter of Flint and Lady Jaye.

Similarly, Checkpoint from COPS was supposed to be Beachhead's son. Several COPS characters also shared code names with Joes or Transformers (Mainframe, Hardtop, Barricade, and Inferno.)
 
GI Joe wasn't that violent. My friends and i would joke abiut how in GI Joe everyone ejects out of their vehicles. ROBOTECH was the cartoon at the time where people actually died.

This, this and this... I HATED G.I. Joe (and the Transformers for that matter) back in their TV heyday.. Robotech was my cartoon of choice because people died, ran through a gamit of emotion and had to deal with everyday life. Joe was just too clean and neat and everyone survived..

As for the Transformers, I really just didn't like the animation (and still don't).

I'm assuming I'm younger (born in '77) I've never heard of Robotech.

I'm not sure how much of G.I.Joe was shown in the UK (where it was renamed Action Force)

I still have plenty of time for Transformers though.

Yes, you're a bit young to remember Robotech the first time around. Long story short... In the states, Robotech was a mash up of three separate Japanese Anime series that started showing around '83 or '84 IIRC.. The three series were shown as Robotech: Macross Saga, Robotech Masters and Robotech The New Generation. They basically dealt with Earth's first foray into space after an ship crashes here and then the subsequent invasions of other alien races trying to get at the energy source for the ship (this is all highly paraphrased from memory, you understand).

The animation was very, very good (IMHO) and the storylines were compelling. The show wasn't originally intended for children in Japan, so deaths of major characters are shown. There have been subsequent attempts to create original sequel material over the years, but most of them have been pretty dismal. The show itself retains a strong following and a live action movie starring Tobey Maguire has been in various stages of development hell for a couple of years.
 
One question I'd like to get answered by an expert. How come there was never a G.I. Joe and Transformers team up? Marvel had a comic series dedicated to that idea long ago in a 4 part mini series. Was there an animated team up planned?

Well Cobra Commander did appear on Transformers,though he wasn't called that instead he was called Old Snake but it was clearly him and he almost did the Cobra scream but started coughing and the Transformer's character Marissa Faireborn is supposedly the daughter of Flint and Lady Jaye.

Similarly, Checkpoint from COPS was supposed to be Beachhead's son. Several COPS characters also shared code names with Joes or Transformers (Mainframe, Hardtop, Barricade, and Inferno.)

Two more,Daina of the Oktober Guard appeared in a Transformer episode and so did reporter Hector Ramirez(who also made appearances on Jem and the Holograms and Inhumanoids,which links all those series together).
 
This, this and this... I HATED G.I. Joe (and the Transformers for that matter) back in their TV heyday.. Robotech was my cartoon of choice because people died, ran through a gamit of emotion and had to deal with everyday life. Joe was just too clean and neat and everyone survived..

As for the Transformers, I really just didn't like the animation (and still don't).

I'm assuming I'm younger (born in '77) I've never heard of Robotech.

I'm not sure how much of G.I.Joe was shown in the UK (where it was renamed Action Force)

I still have plenty of time for Transformers though.

Yes, you're a bit young to remember Robotech the first time around. Long story short... In the states, Robotech was a mash up of three separate Japanese Anime series that started showing around '83 or '84 IIRC.. The three series were shown as Robotech: Macross Saga, Robotech Masters and Robotech The New Generation. They basically dealt with Earth's first foray into space after an ship crashes here and then the subsequent invasions of other alien races trying to get at the energy source for the ship (this is all highly paraphrased from memory, you understand).

The animation was very, very good (IMHO) and the storylines were compelling. The show wasn't originally intended for children in Japan, so deaths of major characters are shown. There have been subsequent attempts to create original sequel material over the years, but most of them have been pretty dismal. The show itself retains a strong following and a live action movie starring Tobey Maguire has been in various stages of development hell for a couple of years.

Don't touch it, Tobey!

Sit on it. :mallory:
 
I have a soft spot for those weird trippy episodes in the season 3 Transformers episodes.

I haven't seen those ones in 20 years. I recall liking them getting away from Earth. But all I ever read online is how much Rodimus Prime sucks, because folks who were kids 20+ years ago cling to their prepubescent prejudices like security blankets.
 
I have a soft spot for those weird trippy episodes in the season 3 Transformers episodes.

I haven't seen those ones in 20 years. I recall liking them getting away from Earth. But all I ever read online is how much Rodimus Prime sucks, because folks who were kids 20+ years ago cling to their prepubescent prejudices like security blankets.
The episodes were gritter in season 3 but the entire show was still a BIG COMMERCIAL to sell toys to kids.

Which was why we wanted our Optimus back! :mallory:
 
Two more,Daina of the Oktober Guard appeared in a Transformer episode and so did reporter Hector Ramirez(who also made appearances on Jem and the Holograms and Inhumanoids,which links all those series together).

I knew Hector Ramirez had been on Jem, but had no idea he was on Inhumanoids. Daina in Transformers is a new one for me, too. Learn something new every day.
 
Yes, you're a bit young to remember Robotech the first time around. Long story short... In the states, Robotech was a mash up of three separate Japanese Anime series that started showing around '83 or '84 IIRC..
The animation was very, very good (IMHO) and the storylines were compelling. The show wasn't originally intended for children in Japan, so deaths of major characters are shown.

Thanks for the info. Again, I now wonder if it hit the UK at all. I was watching Star Fleet (X Bomber) around that time, that wasn't afraid to show death.

When did that happen? It's been a long time and I might have forgotten, but I don't recall the Joes and Transformers playing a significant role in the Marvel Universe.

The irony is in my youth I only knew the name Marvel Comics as they published Transformers, Thundercats and Real Ghostbusters. I dont recall those comics especially promoting original Marvel characters at all.

Saying that Iron Man was a backup strip in Transformers for a while. For that reason its hard to me to ever think of it as more than a backup strip quality of character!
 
Transformers was originally supposed to be part of the main Marvel continuity (Earth 616), and #3 had a cameo by Secret Wars era Spider-Man and several other notable mentions. However, they quickly realized there were a number of issues with normal Marvelites interacting with the Transformers, so they made it one of the various Earths instead.
 
yeah, back in the '80s most of Marvel UK's output was licensed tie-ins. they did have a Punisher title at one point and "Spider-Man and Zoids", before later starting "Incredible Hulk Presents" which ran a hodge-podge of US material.
 
never got to read the uk transformers line but would love to see there take on them.
IDW just gives us the best of this and the best of that I want to see a graphic collection in chronological order. also the hub is now playing gen 2 transformers in the early mornings.
 
IDW is now doing what I think will be all of the UK-specific issues, not simply the "Best of" issues, in their original chronological order. The first volume is currently available and the next one is due in March.

Also, it seems they are reprinting the American run with the Circuit Breaker issues intact, as well as #3 with Spider-Man. They couldn't reprint those issues in the original TPBs because of legal concerns, as Marvel still owns those characters.
 
Got to admit it was kind of cool to think for a time the Marvel Universe included The Transformers,Godzilla,The Micronauts,Rom The Spacekight and The Shogun Warriors,now think of the crossover story they could of had.:techman:
 
Are there any extensive interviews with the late Steve (Howard the Duck) Gerber online? He was the story editor and I'd be curious to see what he thought of his time on the show. I was listening to the DVD's and it was mentioned that they could get away with much more because they were in syndication. Had this been on Saturday morning, it would never have lasted. I have to wonder if Gerber got the job due to his conflict with Howard the Duck. I knew that Howard did not last unless it was under his direction. Gerber had such a distinctive voice for the character that could never be duplicated. It was ironic Steve was the story editor for G.I. Joe because he was so anti-establishment. If you read any of Gerber's Howard the Duck stories; Howard was always a champion of the disenfranchised.
 
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