Oh Oh.... Suborbital flight is how those poor passengers ended up in The Land Of The Giants
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Oh Oh.... Suborbital flight is how those poor passengers ended up in The Land Of The Giants
Well - maybe it'll be okay so long as the ship isn't named "Spindrift"?
That's true, that would be a bad omen.
I was on a yacht called the Spindrift once for a party. Oddly we had a tiny accident with a rock.
Actually, it might have been a tiny planet, not a rock. Works in both directions, you see...
Land of the Giants is probably one of those shows that best remains as a distant memory and that you don't try to revisit on DVD.
But Deanna Lund lol...
I saw it on TV a few years back so watching it again on DVD yeah, not planning on it.
It's like naming anything "Titanic"...
I was in the Boy Scouts back in the day and one Jamboree some of the guys built a boat and named it Titanic II... Guess what? It sank. Surprise!
I was in the Boy Scouts back in the day and one Jamboree some of the guys built a boat and named it Titanic II... Guess what? It sank. Surprise!
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Landers:
Past designs
https://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/vision_concepts.html
Todays designs
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2019/05/16/nasa-taps-11-american-companies-advance-human-lunar-landers/
Blue Moon's manned version:
Blue Moon's "stretched tank" variant is topped a pressurized ascent module for astronauts.
I'll drink to that:
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2019/05...s-limited-edition-kegs-jeff-bezos-moon-plans/
More on Bezos
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/...ke-a-large-lunar-lander-called-blue-moon.html
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3713/1
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2019/05/09/bezos-reunveils-blue-moon-be7-engine/
Bezos other plans:
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2019/05...ue-moon-lander-plans-floating-space-colonies/
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/05/jeff-bezos-details-vision-of-colonizing-the-solar-system.html
https://clubforfuture.org/
Lockheed has two concepts as far as I can tell.
This hydrolox lander (shades of MOON ZERO TWO) is a skeletal version of the Mars Base Camp lander (see below)
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/cont...d-Lunar-Lander-from-Gateway-IAC-2018-Rev1.pdf
This is a two stager--hypergolics only?
The gov't side of things
Altair (from Constellation)
http://newpapyrusmagazine.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-sls-and-case-for-reusable-lunar.html
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/05/nasa-quick-start-artemis-program/
Then there is Starship--this isn't the hopper, but the first true "Starship":
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/05/spacex-ssto-starship-launches-pad-39a/
Now, the SLS Core Stage Pathfinder looked a lot smoother:
https://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/multimedia/sls-core-stage-pathfinder-for-testing
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/05/nasa-sls-certification-schedule-changes-drive-em-1/
I wish Musk or Bezos would visit G&G Steel in Cordova, Alabama. I believe they could build Sea Dragon.
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Past designs
https://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/vision_concepts.html
Todays designs
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2019/05/16/nasa-taps-11-american-companies-advance-human-lunar-landers/
Blue Moon's manned version:
Blue Moon's "stretched tank" variant is topped a pressurized ascent module for astronauts.
I'll drink to that:
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2019/05...s-limited-edition-kegs-jeff-bezos-moon-plans/
More on Bezos
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/...ke-a-large-lunar-lander-called-blue-moon.html
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3713/1
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2019/05/09/bezos-reunveils-blue-moon-be7-engine/
Bezos other plans:
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2019/05...ue-moon-lander-plans-floating-space-colonies/
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/05/jeff-bezos-details-vision-of-colonizing-the-solar-system.html
https://clubforfuture.org/
Lockheed has two concepts as far as I can tell.
This hydrolox lander (shades of MOON ZERO TWO) is a skeletal version of the Mars Base Camp lander (see below)
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/cont...d-Lunar-Lander-from-Gateway-IAC-2018-Rev1.pdf
This is a two stager--hypergolics only?
The gov't side of things
Altair (from Constellation)
http://newpapyrusmagazine.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-sls-and-case-for-reusable-lunar.html
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/05/nasa-quick-start-artemis-program/
Then there is Starship--this isn't the hopper, but the first true "Starship":
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/05/spacex-ssto-starship-launches-pad-39a/
Now, the SLS Core Stage Pathfinder looked a lot smoother:
https://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/multimedia/sls-core-stage-pathfinder-for-testing
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/05/nasa-sls-certification-schedule-changes-drive-em-1/
I wish Musk or Bezos would visit G&G Steel in Cordova, Alabama. I believe they could build Sea Dragon.
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1) This is a discussion forum, not a personal link dump site. Maybe include some comment to actually promote discussion?
2) Don't hotlink images from webspace that's not your own or explicitly allows image hotlinking.
The second point is a violation of forum rules. Don't make me go through your posts again to remove images. Consider this a friendly reminder.
In terms of property rights in space. the US has a law that does allow companies to keep whatever resources they mine in space, as long as they are US based. Luxembourg's new law goes one further by allowing those properties legality via the grand duchy, as long as the company has an office within the country itself.
The way the rule works now is, you can't actually own real estate in space (and yes, this will have to change, when claim jumping starts to occur and it gets nasty.. but space is really big ) , and while property rights to satellites are a bit of law that's established, the best bet for holding a claim on ore or manufactured goods made in space would be this model.
So Luxembourg may win the space race.
one thing i see happening is with all these countries citizens on the moon protection of your own citizens/property will be a high priority so i can see some quick major advancements military space vehicles/crafts (space odyssey 2010 )
not to be too optimistic, and while there will eventually need to be some sort of security, we tend to all do better when we work together. prosperity increase all around. the more affluent a society becomes the more it has to lose so the less likely it is to go to war. apart from some sort of coast-guard lifeboat service type actions in deep outer space, it's hard for me to see it being militarized greatly. No one can afford it, anyway.
The US currently can't even get people into low Earth orbit. To certain other countries, the talk about creating a US space force must appear comical.
It does sound comical
You don't need people in orbit for it to be militarized.
There's been a series of space shuttles launched since before the final "Space Shuttle" flight in 2011, and whatever its purpose may be, it is not a civilian or manned craft. the X-37B's
The only reason no one's challenged that yet is because no one is ready to send people to live on the moon or other bodies beyond earth yet. As soon as a permanent moon or mars base becomes viable for a nation, watch them try to claim ownership, if not of the whole body, at least of a significant portion.
I think you're right. Though with mining it's not so much the place as the stuff, and its reasonable to assume there will be more than enough for everyone for a long time. The big issue might the intellectual data from asteroid hunters.
Prospecting/Wildcatting won't be cheap and companies or private concerns involved in mining will want to keep that data to themselves as long as possible.
So things like the MCRN could happen in the distant future hehe.
Free Mars
Free Mars
Spectroscopy for determining likely candidates from a distance.
Autonomous prospecting probes for in situ analysis - these could source reaction mass and/or propellants from asteroids that contain water ice. They would probably be nuclear powered - apologies to Michio Kaku.
I think long term the Arkyd satellite series from Planetary Resources were supposed to be doing just that, but with the sale of the company, I haven't heard much, if anything. I know they failed to secure investment prior to their sale and laid everyone off. But with the sale, maybe things are looking up.
