Black Panther - Pre-release Thread

[Turtletrekker]

I would like a decent score for more than one of the MCU movies. With Henry Jackman's score for Captain America: The Winter Soldier--like the movie--being the far-and-away best of the MCU, its musical mix of the dissonant spy/intrigue to the repeating motifs of Cap and Bucky was a quality of music so absent from other MCU movies. The score is another "character" of the film, and should not be shortchanged with generic, forgettable action music (like The Avengers movies). That said, Ludwig Göransson composed the score for Black Panther, and being somewhat familiar with his work, one can hope he really adds heart to characters, so their story is not punctuated by one big, loud cue after another.

Henry Jackman score for the Winter Soldier didn't do much for me. In fact the only thing I remember about it was that he used the exact same musical crescendo for Falcon flying as he did for Banshee flying in X-Men First Class.

For my money the best composer the MCU has hired has been Alan Silvestri. His themes for the first Captain America: The First Avenger and the Avengers are the only MCU themes that I ever hum to myself

 

[kirk55555]

Nope, the entire soundtrack is being produced by Kendrick Lamar, where he's writing and performing some of the songs as well. You would know that if you actually paid attention to some of the stuff that's been posted in this thread instead of having your knee jerk reactions regarding hip hop.

Maybe I don't give a shit about some random rapper doing a soundtrack? The only thing having an original rap/hip hop score does is make me lost faith in the movie.

And there you go again, prejudging the music without listening to any of it (or at least I'm assuming you haven't bothered to listen to the two songs that have already been released).

So your theory is that I, someone who legitimately hates every rap/hip hop song I've ever heard except for Weird Al parodies, would somehow like those ones because...they're connected to an MCU film?

I loathe those genres. For me, there is literally no such thing as a good rap or hip hop song. Why the actual fuck would I listen to them? I hate that stuff. At some point that bullshit "you need to experience something to dislike it" attitude has to stop. With music, people are definitely allowed to hate genres. I'm not going to listen to every fucking rap/hip hop song on the planet because some people on the internet refuse to accept some people just hate certain things. I've heard more then enough of the genres to establish my opinion. i've honestly heard way, way more then enough.

Musical taste is, to me, even more personalized then what kinds of movies, tv shows, etc a person likes. I don't care if its Vanilla Ice or Snoop Dog(g?), rap/hip hop all shit to me. Well, at least I can laugh in a cringe-y way at Vanilla Ice's stuff, so I suppose it has more entertainment value for me (not that I'd ever listen to that stuff of my own free will). But besides that distinction between shit and slightly funny because its so corny shit, rap/hip hop are all intolerable to me and have been for as long as I can remember.

I can deal with it if its a small part of a soundtrack, but if an entire film being made with it that's a big mark against it. Its definitely a "wait for home media release so I can mute parts" movie now, even if I had any way to go see it when it comes to theaters. Its now gone from a film I was hyped for to one I have very, very mixed feelings about. I really hope the writing/directing/acting can compensate for the shit elements of the film. Luke Cage managed to be enjoyable despite a shit soundtrack, but it didn't make up a whole new soundtrack and then just jam it in every second.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Everybody has different musical tastes. The score that stands out for me is the first Thor movie, and I was so happy to hear they used the theme in Ragnarok at the end.
The beginning of the Thor movie where he's marching down the hall is amazing. And I love it when they can slow down a theme and use it for the quieter emotional moments, too, which worked perfectly.

Other than that, the bar isn't set very high and Black Panther has just as good a chance as any of being memorable. But just as good a chance of being forgettable like the majority of the MCU scores.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Maybe I don't give a shit about some random rapper doing a soundtrack? The only thing having an original rap/hip hop score does is make me lost faith in the movie.

You do realize that rap and hip hop are not the same music, right? It's like saying Paul Simon is the same thing as Garth Brooks. The fact that you use them interchangeably discredits everything else you say in the rest of your post. And frankly, there's no point in arguing with you about it.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

In more positive news, the soundtrack is out and is streaming on Spotify.

 

[JD]

I have to admit, a few years ago my attitude towards rap and hip hop, weren't that far from Kirk's but then I actually started to listen to more of it and it's grown on me to the point where I'm looking forward to the music in PB.
Oh, and I loved the music in Luke Cage.

 

[crookeddy]

You do realize that rap and hip hop are not the same music, right? It's like saying Paul Simon is the same thing as Garth Brooks. The fact that you use them interchangeably discredits everything else you say in the rest of your post. And frankly, there's no point in arguing with you about it.

They are both poetry being read in rhythm to music. And they are both performed predominantly by members of the black community. There are reasons to dislike both. The most common is racism. When you say you HATE both genres, the most likely cause is racism, since hate is not a rational response to any art form.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

I hate country.
I'm so racist...

Joking aside, people like what they like, sometimes it's not even more complicated than that. It's not about analyzing lyrics and melodies, it's just a matter or "yup, don't like it" and doesn't have to be anything more sinister than that. Musical taste is as personal as it gets.

(edited to add some meat to my post)

 

[crookeddy]

I'm so racist...

Agreed.

 

[kirk55555]

You do realize that rap and hip hop are not the same music, right? It's like saying Paul Simon is the same thing as Garth Brooks. The fact that you use them interchangeably discredits everything else you say in the rest of your post. And frankly, there's no point in arguing with you about it.

Oh for fucks sake. I know they aren't actually the same. I hate them both equally, and they tend to be used together on soundtracks like BP.

Also, nothing I said can be discredited because its all my fucking opinion. I hate certain kinds of music, period. I'm not making an objective comment, I'm saying that I can't stand those genres.

They are both poetry being read in rhythm to music. And they are both performed predominantly by members of the black community. There are reasons to dislike both. The most common is racism. When you say you HATE both genres, the most likely cause is racism, since hate is not a rational response to any art form.

Ok, this is getting ridiculous. I don't fucking hate those genres because of racism. I just don't like the fucking music. I don't even get worked up over them, unless jerks on the internet harp on me disliking them. I like classic rock and some folk rock-ish stuff. Those are my genres. Both rap and hip hop are very different from that, and I just don't like them.

Also, yes, its rational to hate types of music. Why am I not allowed to dislike fucking rap or hip hop? Seriously, why do you not understand the concept of not liking types of music? I get that at this point you're probably just trying to get a rise out of me, but regardless of your weird worldview its fairly easy to hate rap and hip hop without being racist. Its like saying my dislike of soccer makes me racist against all the predominately non-white countries that really embrace it (yes, I also know a lot of predominately white countries in europe like it, I'm just making a point0. There are people who make rap and hip hop that I'm sure are very talented objectively. But I don't want to hear it.

 

[crookeddy]

Also, yes, its rational to hate types of music.

Nope.

Why am I not allowed to dislike fucking rap or hip hop?

You absolutely are. Dislike is not the same thing as hate - which is the point I am trying to make. Choice of words matters.

Seriously, why do you not understand the concept of not liking types of music?

Not liking something is also different from disliking something.

I get that at this point you're probably just trying to get a rise out of me

Nah. If you pay attention to what I and others tell you about your choice of words you'll be a more respected poster.

Its like saying my dislike of soccer makes me racist against all the predominately non-white countries that really embrace it (yes, I also know a lot of predominately white countries in europe like it, I'm just making a point0.

This is a really weird point then. Soccer is probably as popular in Europe as it is in Latin America. It also came from Europe...

 

[gblews]

Ok, this is getting ridiculous. I don't fucking hate those genres because of racism. I get that at this point you're probably just trying to get a rise out of me, but regardless of your weird worldview its fairly easy to hate rap and hip hop without being racist.

And yet the only rap you like is by Wierd Al Yankovic and Vanilla Ice. Hmm......

 

[crookeddy]

And yet the only rap you like is by Wierd Al Yankovic and Vanilla Ice. Hmm......

To his credit, Eminem and Macklemore were not included.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Your Decent = Overshadows the people we're seeing on screen by bombarding us with music.

Reading carefully can be your friend:

The score is another "character" of the film, and should not be shortchanged with generic, forgettable action music (like The Avengers movies). That said, Ludwig Göransson composed the score for Black Panther, and being somewhat familiar with his work, one can hope he really adds heart to characters, so their story is not punctuated by one big, loud cue after another.

You just repeated the point I made about film music yesterday.

A film's music is a character and the greatest of film scores add life and dimension to the actors and their situations, instead of being the equivalent of cartoon muzak or someone holding down a car horn for two hours, like most MCU scores outside of CA: TWS.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The trolls are trolling...

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/02/09/black-panther-reviews-sabotage-imdb-score/

 

[Anwar]

instead of being the equivalent of cartoon muzak or someone holding down a car horn for two hours.

You're describing Hans Zimmer in the DCEU, not any MCU score.

Music should not be used to drown out the characters.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

The trolls are trolling...

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/02/09/black-panther-reviews-sabotage-imdb-score/

Trolls are so stupid.

 

[JD]

Its like saying my dislike of soccer makes me racist against all the predominately non-white countries that really embrace it (yes, I also know a lot of predominately white countries in europe like it, I'm just making a point0.

This really doesn't work as an example since soccer is more of a universal thing, and doesn't tend to be predominantly associated with a single culture the way rap and hip hop with the black culture.

 

[Snaploud]

There's a campaign to get Disney to given black communities 25% of the profit from Black Panther. This seems counter-productive to me. It's like they want to punish the movie for having so many black people. One would think they would want the reverse: 25% of all profits from films that fail to include minorities in decent roles (on both sides of the camera).

 

[kirk55555]

And yet the only rap you like is by Wierd Al Yankovic and Vanilla Ice. Hmm......

Except I don't like vanilla Ice. I get a little entertainment value from him because his stuff is shit in the way that is pure 90s. So, I can enjoy laughing at him, because he was a doofus. Its painful crap, but its also funny in a way he never intended.

As for Weird Al, he's weird Al. He transcends genre. His Nirvana parody is the only song related to Nirvana that I don't loathe, same with his Madonna parody, his Michael jackson parodies, his Billy Ray Cyrus parody, his Miley Cyrus parody, his Lady Gaga parodies, his aerosmith parody, and the list goes on and on. Probably more then half of his non-original songs are based on songs/bands I absolutely can't stand. From rap to hip hop to country to pop and beyond, Weird Al is the best. He takes stuff I don't like but end up enjoying when he does it. I think the thread going through this is that parody done well can theoretically make any kind of music entertaining to me. As long as its Weird Al at least, since I don't know or listen to any other parody musicians (or even know any others, but I'm assuming they exist).

This really doesn't work as an example since soccer is more of a universal thing, and doesn't tend to be predominantly associated with a single culture the way rap and hip hop with the black culture.

Yeah, its a bad metaphor. I couldn't think of anything better, and I was a bit pissed to be accused of racism because listening to rap or hip hop makes me want to jab an ice pick in my ears. It didn't actually deserve any response because its such a moronic accusation, but since racism is one thing I'm actually almost never accused of it got to me. I actually can't recall being accused of it before, and I get a lot of accusations especially on this forum where opinions get heated. But, its usually about me being a jerk or opinionated. I've had a bit of time to cool down now though and realize that letting certain people get a rise out of me isn't good and will just get me in trouble.

In the end, my musical tastes are my own. I can think of nothing more painful (musically) then rap or hip hop (which i acknowledge are different genres but my level of dislike is exactly the same so they're going to keep getting lumped together). I don't like those genres, I never will, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Will it negatively impact my opinion of some things? Absolutely. I can ignore it in things like Luke Cage or Black Lightning where its just background noise, but it will probably lower my opinion of BP by a huge amount if its as prevalent as it seems it might be. That's just how it goes.

I'm sure some people can't stand GotG because of their musical tastes. Those movies happen to be fairly close to what I like, so for me its a positive element. BP is the exact opposite, so it will be holding the movie back. i might still like it, and I'm open to enjoying the story, writing, directing, etc. Its just set itself up to be a lower mid tier MCU film at best, like Doctor Strange or Thor 1. That's still potentially pretty good, just flawed.