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Bill Shatner's response to being uninvited to George Takei's wedding
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Re: Bill Shatner's response to being uninvited to George Takei's weddi
I'm with Shatner on this one...
And even if he DID act like an asshole on the set? Well, so what? Egotistical stars are PART of the business. Jack Lord was, according to those on the set of Hawaii Five 0, a real prick..but again, who cares? Its their name on the top of that cast, and if they throw their weight around, who cares? Harrison Ford is known to be a prick on the set, so is, surprisingly, Robin Williams. I have no sympathy for George, nor Nichelle, or Walter or Jimmy. They were not the stars of the show...William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy, and Deforrest to some degree were.
Its showbiz folks...thats all you have to know..
Rob
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I'm with Shatner on this one...
And even if he DID act like an asshole on the set? Well, so what? Egotistical stars are PART of the business. Jack Lord was, according to those on the set of Hawaii Five 0, a real prick..but again, who cares? Its their name on the top of that cast, and if they throw their weight around, who cares? Harrison Ford is known to be a prick on the set, so is, surprisingly, Robin Williams. I have no sympathy for George, nor Nichelle, or Walter or Jimmy. They were not the stars of the show...William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy, and Deforrest to some degree were.
Its showbiz folks...thats all you have to know..
Rob
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Re: Bill Shatner's response to being uninvited to George Takei's weddi
It would make him an asshole, that's so what.
There's nothing in the job requirements for "TV star" that call for bad behavior toward one's coworkers, and most actors don't indulge it. It reflects poorly on someone's character if they do.
That's "so what?"
Having said all that - It's probably about time that Shatner had his poke back at George Takei (this isn't really the first time, but it may be the first on video). Takei has been badmouthing Shatner as a person, in print and in front of microphones, for years now...and that frankly makes him something of an asshole himself. Shatner has shown a lot of forebearance, and Takei's overdue for a slap-down.
It would make him an asshole, that's so what.
There's nothing in the job requirements for "TV star" that call for bad behavior toward one's coworkers, and most actors don't indulge it. It reflects poorly on someone's character if they do.
That's "so what?"
Having said all that - It's probably about time that Shatner had his poke back at George Takei (this isn't really the first time, but it may be the first on video). Takei has been badmouthing Shatner as a person, in print and in front of microphones, for years now...and that frankly makes him something of an asshole himself. Shatner has shown a lot of forebearance, and Takei's overdue for a slap-down.
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Shrug. Shatner pulled the numbers and has been successful in what; three series and more than twenty films, as well as more stage plays than I can remember?
Takei coat-tailed or to use the proper auto-racing metaphor, drafted in Shatner's wake. I would just shut up, and soldier. The guy out front drawing all the fire, is the one who helps me pay my bills. No Kirk, no Sulu, no residuals.
Shrug. Shatner pulled the numbers and has been successful in what; three series and more than twenty films, as well as more stage plays than I can remember?
Takei coat-tailed or to use the proper auto-racing metaphor, drafted in Shatner's wake. I would just shut up, and soldier. The guy out front drawing all the fire, is the one who helps me pay my bills. No Kirk, no Sulu, no residuals.
Re: Bill Shatner's response to being uninvited to George Takei's weddi
I remember a radio interview on Key 103 in Manchester (England) around about 1987/1988.
Shatner and Takei were opening a ride at Alton Towers.
Shatner had been announced as the director of ST: V and Takei was so full of praise for Bill as an actor and director that you'd have thought they were best friends!!
But then again Takei is probably still expecting a call from Paramount telling him that Captain Sulu: The Series is going ahead!!!
I remember a radio interview on Key 103 in Manchester (England) around about 1987/1988.
Shatner and Takei were opening a ride at Alton Towers.
Shatner had been announced as the director of ST: V and Takei was so full of praise for Bill as an actor and director that you'd have thought they were best friends!!
But then again Takei is probably still expecting a call from Paramount telling him that Captain Sulu: The Series is going ahead!!!
Re: Bill Shatner's response to being uninvited to George Takei's weddi
I've met both more than once.
Shatner was very unpleasant, even to those paying him for his appearances. I have seen him be rude to others when it was NOT necessary.
George was just the opposite. Kind to fans and kind to those who brought him to conventions. He introduced me to people who helped in my bid for a new Trek television series and gave me much needed encouragement (as did Jimmy Doohan).
Although I didn't like it due to the language, George even showed up for Shatner's roast on Comedy Central.
I don't really care about the interviews. I believe actions speak louder than words and Shatner's actions over the years show me he is still an unpleasant person.
I've met both more than once.
Shatner was very unpleasant, even to those paying him for his appearances. I have seen him be rude to others when it was NOT necessary.
George was just the opposite. Kind to fans and kind to those who brought him to conventions. He introduced me to people who helped in my bid for a new Trek television series and gave me much needed encouragement (as did Jimmy Doohan).
Although I didn't like it due to the language, George even showed up for Shatner's roast on Comedy Central.
I don't really care about the interviews. I believe actions speak louder than words and Shatner's actions over the years show me he is still an unpleasant person.
Re: Bill Shatner's response to being uninvited to George Takei's weddi
Shatner's got a point, but it wasn't one that needed to be made publicly. Takei has been pissing on Shatner for years and years... it's time for George to get over the offenses of his youth. At the same time, Bill is clearly a blowhard and egomaniac. Eventually, one of them is going to have to be the bigger man and simply shut up about the other. Shatner's response to not being invited to Takei's wedding should have been to just shut his pie hole and not go.
Shatner's got a point, but it wasn't one that needed to be made publicly. Takei has been pissing on Shatner for years and years... it's time for George to get over the offenses of his youth. At the same time, Bill is clearly a blowhard and egomaniac. Eventually, one of them is going to have to be the bigger man and simply shut up about the other. Shatner's response to not being invited to Takei's wedding should have been to just shut his pie hole and not go.
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Yeah. What doesn't get pointed out much is that the number of co-stars who have had unpleasant experiences with Shatner is legion. OTOH, there are folks he's worked with who like him quite a lot. Unless there's a conspiracy of a whole lot of folks who don't necessarily know one another, stretching back four decades, the Shat is a really difficult and self-centered character. Sometimes.
Notably, however, Takei is the only one of the anti-Shatner crowd who thinks it appropriate to go on at length about it in public with some regularity. That doesn't speak well for him.
Yeah. What doesn't get pointed out much is that the number of co-stars who have had unpleasant experiences with Shatner is legion. OTOH, there are folks he's worked with who like him quite a lot. Unless there's a conspiracy of a whole lot of folks who don't necessarily know one another, stretching back four decades, the Shat is a really difficult and self-centered character. Sometimes.
Notably, however, Takei is the only one of the anti-Shatner crowd who thinks it appropriate to go on at length about it in public with some regularity. That doesn't speak well for him.
Re: Bill Shatner's response to being uninvited to George Takei's weddi
Wow. How immature to spout off in public like this. Whoever gets the idea first to stop doing so will be the bigger man.
If Takei thought Shatner did not belong at his wedding, that's his prerogative in my opinion. But I don't want to be hearing about the drama from either side.
Wow. How immature to spout off in public like this. Whoever gets the idea first to stop doing so will be the bigger man.
If Takei thought Shatner did not belong at his wedding, that's his prerogative in my opinion. But I don't want to be hearing about the drama from either side.
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I agree completely. This has been going back and forth for months between the two of them. It's getting tiresome.
I agree completely. This has been going back and forth for months between the two of them. It's getting tiresome.
Re: Bill Shatner's response to being uninvited to George Takei's weddi
Evidently, Shat could be an ass. No doubt. I'm sure some have legitimate beefs.
However, that was what, 40 odd years ago? It's time to get over it. Shatner will be Shatner and there is nothing that will change. To keep attacking is just irrational. Best to just let it go.
Both look foolish by continuing. And it's a shame. I liked the work of both. I hate to see them do this. It changes nothing.
Evidently, Shat could be an ass. No doubt. I'm sure some have legitimate beefs.
However, that was what, 40 odd years ago? It's time to get over it. Shatner will be Shatner and there is nothing that will change. To keep attacking is just irrational. Best to just let it go.
Both look foolish by continuing. And it's a shame. I liked the work of both. I hate to see them do this. It changes nothing.
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I hope Bill and George get things straightened out in the next couple of years. God knows how long the original TOS crew are going to still be on the Earth and I'd hate for that to be the thing that goes to the grave.
I hope Bill and George get things straightened out in the next couple of years. God knows how long the original TOS crew are going to still be on the Earth and I'd hate for that to be the thing that goes to the grave.
Re: Bill Shatner's response to being uninvited to George Takei's weddi
seriously people still care what shatner says? this feud, that feud, then the more recent "i want to be the star of the new trek movie" bonanza. any statement from him makes me just sigh and
seriously people still care what shatner says? this feud, that feud, then the more recent "i want to be the star of the new trek movie" bonanza. any statement from him makes me just sigh and
Re: Bill Shatner's response to being uninvited to George Takei's weddi
I'm with Shatner on this one. Regardless of what happened on the set, the series was 40+ years ago and the last movie to feature them was 17 years ago. It's time for George Takei to move on. Neither is getting any younger and there's no reason Takei needs to continue to be on the attack. Even James Doohan, who hated Shatner's guts for a good long time, finally made peace with him prior to his death. It's time to be men about this...
I'm with Shatner on this one. Regardless of what happened on the set, the series was 40+ years ago and the last movie to feature them was 17 years ago. It's time for George Takei to move on. Neither is getting any younger and there's no reason Takei needs to continue to be on the attack. Even James Doohan, who hated Shatner's guts for a good long time, finally made peace with him prior to his death. It's time to be men about this...
Re: Bill Shatner's response to being uninvited to George Takei's weddi
Regardless of whether Shatner has a point (which I honestly don't think he does with regard to the wedding because in my opinion a person has EVERY right to decide on the guest list, to hell with anybody else's concerns), he crossed the line when he had to air his grievance in public. Same with any other cast member or any other public figure that feels the need to use their status to air their dirty laundry.
Regardless of whether Shatner has a point (which I honestly don't think he does with regard to the wedding because in my opinion a person has EVERY right to decide on the guest list, to hell with anybody else's concerns), he crossed the line when he had to air his grievance in public. Same with any other cast member or any other public figure that feels the need to use their status to air their dirty laundry.
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I totally don't care if these two hate each other till the day they die any more than I care if the janitor in my building hates the guy who patrols the parking garage.
The only thing I'll say is that a wedding is supposed to be this super happy day of celebration for the couple and the people that are important to them. No one should be obligated to invite people they're not comfortable with or happy with, especially if they aren't actually friends.
I totally don't care if these two hate each other till the day they die any more than I care if the janitor in my building hates the guy who patrols the parking garage.
The only thing I'll say is that a wedding is supposed to be this super happy day of celebration for the couple and the people that are important to them. No one should be obligated to invite people they're not comfortable with or happy with, especially if they aren't actually friends.
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Re: Bill Shatner's response to being uninvited to George Takei's weddi
Both of them need to drop it and get over themselves. Takai nursing a grudge (or whatever one wants to call it) for over 40 years is pathetic, but like anyone else he's entitled to invite whoever he likes to his own wedding. Shatner publicly trashing him and his choices is just as bad, if not worse - the circumstances of Takai's "coming out" are no one's business but his and his partner's.
They both need to shut the hell up and get on with their lives.
Both of them need to drop it and get over themselves. Takai nursing a grudge (or whatever one wants to call it) for over 40 years is pathetic, but like anyone else he's entitled to invite whoever he likes to his own wedding. Shatner publicly trashing him and his choices is just as bad, if not worse - the circumstances of Takai's "coming out" are no one's business but his and his partner's.
They both need to shut the hell up and get on with their lives.
Re: Bill Shatner's response to being uninvited to George Takei's weddi
Response from Takei's spokespeople:
STATEMENT FROM GEORGE TAKEI REGARDING COMMENTS MADE BY WILLIAM SHATNER:
"It is unfortunate that Bill was unable to join us for our wedding as he
indeed was invited to attend. It is our hope that at this point he joins
us
in voting NO on Proposition 8, which seeks to eliminate the fundamental
right for same-sex couples to marry in California." -- George Takei
Background:
In case you are planning to cover, or have already covered, the new
video by
William Shatner where he discusses not being invited to the recent
Takei-Altman wedding, please note that Mr. Shatner was invited to the
wedding (through his manager Larry Thompson) when invitations were
mailed
out in July.
In June, when George Takei and Brad Altman received their license to
marry,
there was media speculation that Mr. Shatner would not be invited to the
wedding, yet invitations had not been sent out at that time.
On July 21, after the invitations had been mailed, Mr. Takei and Mr.
Altman
were interviewed on TV Guide Channel's "Watercooler" program and Mr.
Takei
first broke the 'exclusive' news: "Most of the invitations have been
sent
out, and Bill is amongst them".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wlBVRBFQ3k
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wlBVRBFQ3k>
Mr. Takei would go on to do other interviews before the Sept. 14
wedding,
such as an Associated Press radio interview that was also distributed as
a
print story (Sept. 12) where it is confirmed that Shatner was invited
but
had not RSVPd.
Response from Takei's spokespeople:
STATEMENT FROM GEORGE TAKEI REGARDING COMMENTS MADE BY WILLIAM SHATNER:
"It is unfortunate that Bill was unable to join us for our wedding as he
indeed was invited to attend. It is our hope that at this point he joins
us
in voting NO on Proposition 8, which seeks to eliminate the fundamental
right for same-sex couples to marry in California." -- George Takei
Background:
In case you are planning to cover, or have already covered, the new
video by
William Shatner where he discusses not being invited to the recent
Takei-Altman wedding, please note that Mr. Shatner was invited to the
wedding (through his manager Larry Thompson) when invitations were
mailed
out in July.
In June, when George Takei and Brad Altman received their license to
marry,
there was media speculation that Mr. Shatner would not be invited to the
wedding, yet invitations had not been sent out at that time.
On July 21, after the invitations had been mailed, Mr. Takei and Mr.
Altman
were interviewed on TV Guide Channel's "Watercooler" program and Mr.
Takei
first broke the 'exclusive' news: "Most of the invitations have been
sent
out, and Bill is amongst them".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wlBVRBFQ3k
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wlBVRBFQ3k>
Mr. Takei would go on to do other interviews before the Sept. 14
wedding,
such as an Associated Press radio interview that was also distributed as
a
print story (Sept. 12) where it is confirmed that Shatner was invited
but
had not RSVPd.
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