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Best and Worst Treatment of Ethical Dilemmas

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Which Star Trek entries would you point to as very good or very bad instances of the franchise taking an ethical dilemma and giving it the weight it deserves? This doesn't necessarily mean you agree with the final result, just that you feel the dilemma received the weight it deserved.

A few good ones:
"Cogenitor" - It's easy to see how Trip loses sight of things. I can sympathize with his position even as I disagree with it.
"I, Borg" - I still doubt the weird little graphic would have done substantial damage to the Collective, but the question of whether Hugh should be sacrificed without his consent in an effort to destroy a relentlessly hostile foe is well-handled here. I very much appreciate that the episode comes down to asking Hugh what he wants, and that there's follow-up where Picard's decision comes back to bite him in the ass in the form of Admiral Nechayev.
"In the Pale Moonlight" - Sisko not only faces an ethical dilemma that he arguably fails, but he can't even share what he's going through with any of his usual sounding boards. In the end, the dilemma is effectively taken out of his hands in a way that only digs the knife in deeper.
"Tuvix" - There's entire threads discussing this one. I doubt I can add anything. I'd argue the only weak point, which isn't the fault of the episode itself, is that the entire event is never referenced again throughout the series.

And some bad ones:
"Dear Doctor" - I want to like the handling of this one, but the poor science makes it problematic.
"Homeward" - Perhaps one of the worst handlings of the Prime Directive; I don't recall Our Heroes even particularly discussing whether they shoulld be trying to save what they can of the Boraalans? Nikolai fails to engender my sympathy, while at the same time showing more humanity than Our Heroes and ultimately forcing their hand.
Insurrection - The epitome of raising some complex moral arguments and then burying them under an action-adventure film. The discussions I've seen on this board have given far more gravity to the problem than the film itself can be bothered to do.
"Blood Oath" and "Hippocratic Oath" - Both suffer from the same problem, where we're led to believe that decisions made by characters should have some lasting repercussions, but apparently those repercussions are entirely resolved off-screen.
 
One of these days I'm going to have to sit through "Dear Doctor" so I can partake in discussions about it. From what I understand about it, it feels morally repugnant in a way that's far too close to home; letting real people suffer and die to "save" people who don't exist yet.
 
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One of these days I'm going to have to sit through "Dear Doctor" so I can partake in discussions about it. From what I understand about it, it feels morally repugnant in a way that's far too close to home; letting real people suffer and die to "save" people who don't exist yet.
Correction in Dear Doctor the people to 'save' did exist. It was let 'real' people die to ensure that the other 'real' people dominated the gene pool.
 
Correction in Dear Doctor the people to 'save' did exist. It was let 'real' people die to ensure that the other 'real' people dominated the gene pool.
That's also disturbingly close to home, albeit in a much broader sense.

I'd love if some of that dying race survived and chewed Archer, Phlox or Starfleet out for that awful decision.
 
I'll reopen the "Tuvix" conversation for a moment. It was a great discussion and a good dilemma to say the least, but I suspect there were other arguments to be had.

Tuvix, Tuvok, and Neelix are three separate individuals. Tuvix was an amalgamation of Tuvok and Neelix, the result of a Transporter Accident, but was still a living, breathing being nonetheless. As it was presented, they only way to get Tuvok and Neelix back was to "kill" Tuvix by using the transporter to split him back into the former two crewmembers.

There is no doubt in my mind that Janeway's decision was made because we needed to get our main characters back for next week's episode. But Lower Decks got me thinking (lol) - Voyager has shown Captain Janeway checking the Starfleet database, captain's logs, and other records when faced with a challenge. I can't help but think they have a record of Thomas Riker in their database?

Why not try to find a planet while exploring your way back home with similar conditions of the distortion field on Nervala IV in TNG's "Second Chances" and pull a Thomas Riker on Tuvix, giving you two Tuvixs? or try to recreate the conditions? If successful, while this doesn't change the ethical dilemma of ending one life to save two, it does give a way to have their cake and eat it too.

Janeway needed to give this more thought, more weight. It would have been interesting if they kept Tuvix for several episodes before arriving at a conclusion that brings back Tuvok and Neelix, and potentially keeps Tuvix as well.
 
The longer they keep Tuvix around, the worse it looks on the part of Our Heroes if they're willing to kill (or, if you prefer, 'kill' him). Unless it's made explicitly clear to him that he's living on borrowed time...but if that's how they're going to do it, I still think it would be more humane to keep him in stasis.

I also think Our Heroes in "Second Chances" seemed to find the odds that Thomas would have been created in the first place to have been very small. As such, the odds of being able to recreate the accident that created him seem correspondingly smaller.
 
It's a simple question of numbers. Do you kill one person (Tuvix) or two (Tuvok and Neelix)? Tuvix pretty much had to die.

The greatest good for the greatest number, after all.

"I, Borg" - I still doubt the weird little graphic would have done substantial damage to the Collective,

The Borg would probably have found a way to isolate it and confine the damage to maybe one cube.

Speaking of the Borg, though: What about Icheb? Are his parents evil monsters because they sacrificed him to the collective? Does Icheb hold any ill will towards them? I'm sure it hurt them like hell, but they did it to save their entire civilization from constant Borg attacks. So their actions are at least understandable.
 
Splitting Tuvix if he would die or live a painful life if not separated could be justified. Besides, each one carries a bit of the other in their mind now, like it or not. Perhaps Tuvok and Neelix regularly melding to keep what little of Tuvix is left, alive in a way, could be a recurring plotline.

Why didn't Icheb's parents sacrifice one of themselves instead of a child?
 
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I'll reopen the "Tuvix" conversation for a moment. It was a great discussion and a good dilemma to say the least, but I suspect there were other arguments to be had.

Tuvix, Tuvok, and Neelix are three separate individuals. Tuvix was an amalgamation of Tuvok and Neelix, the result of a Transporter Accident, but was still a living, breathing being nonetheless. As it was presented, they only way to get Tuvok and Neelix back was to "kill" Tuvix by using the transporter to split him back into the former two crewmembers.

There is no doubt in my mind that Janeway's decision was made because we needed to get our main characters back for next week's episode. But Lower Decks got me thinking (lol) - Voyager has shown Captain Janeway checking the Starfleet database, captain's logs, and other records when faced with a challenge. I can't help but think they have a record of Thomas Riker in their database?

Why not try to find a planet while exploring your way back home with similar conditions of the distortion field on Nervala IV in TNG's "Second Chances" and pull a Thomas Riker on Tuvix, giving you two Tuvixs? or try to recreate the conditions? If successful, while this doesn't change the ethical dilemma of ending one life to save two, it does give a way to have their cake and eat it too.

Janeway needed to give this more thought, more weight. It would have been interesting if they kept Tuvix for several episodes before arriving at a conclusion that brings back Tuvok and Neelix, and potentially keeps Tuvix as well.
What makes you think a duplicate of Tuvix would be any more willing to "die" than the first one?
 
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I've never liked MARK OF GIDEON's take on alien overpopulation. I, like most others, do enjoy personal space, but GIDEON for me reeks as badly now as it did in 1969. But at least Kirk's latest blonde love interest was saved. Who cares if the extras get sick?
Oof. Agreed.
As an aside, as corny as the crowd scenes are by today's standards, they were pretty scary to me when I was young!
 
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What makes you think a duplicate of Tuvix would be any more willing to "die" than the first one?
I wasn't suggesting Tuvix would be willing. Not to put too fine a point on it, but it would ultimately be Captain Janeway's call, just as it was in the episode. But this other option would have been a great way to have a TNG homage as our solution and have given Janeway the option to save all three.

IF Voyager had gone this route and they were able to "Thomas Riker" Tuvix, whose to say they couldnt technobabble the solution to make it an instantaneous transporter process where Tuvix is dematerialed, duplicated, split, and Tuvix, Tuvok, and Neelix rematerialize?

Come to think of it, Tuvix might be willing. Being half Tuvok, he may see logic in this solution vs just being split into Tuvok and Neelix.Needs of the many, and all that jazz.

I suspect his reaction would ultimately have been the same as we saw in the episode. It is still ending one life to save two, but it would have set up an interesting dynamic and some conflict between Janeway and Tuvix / perhaps the crew if they went this route and kept Tuvix around while bringing back Tuvok and Neelix.
 
You don't even need to duplicate the events of Second Chances.

You just clone Tuvix the old fashioned way, with cloning. Keep the clone in an unconscious state from conception, then when it hits maturity in two days or so you use that material to make Tuvok and Neelix. Or if for some made up reason the clone can't be used that way, transfer Tuvix's mind to the clone and then use Tuvix's body to bring back Tuvok and Neelix. It couldn't be simpler. ;)
 
^I like this solution more than I like the "Thomas Riker" approach.

I also liked that Lower Decks revisited the episode and wasn't afraid to be critical of Janeway's handling of the problem.
 
One I haven't seen mentioned here is ENT's "DAMAGE". I think it presented the dilemma well, even though it was pretty much a given Archer was going to steal the coil. His conversation with Phlox was especially well directed and shot.

I do wish there was some kind of notation or followup with that ship. Given the distance, Starfleet couldn't do much... even the Vulcans would still take a while. I'm hoping Archer made a side deal offscreen with the Xindi to have them help that ship, since they were much closer to their location. Given their corridors, they can easily take the Illyrians all the way home.
 
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